Tips on how to help Democrats and Republicans have a better relationship

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately there are too many petulant children on BOTH sides for Dems and Repubs to get along. BOTH sides think their beliefs and their ways are the ONLY way.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is learned behavior. They learn it from their intolerant parents. They just need to un-learn it.

    BTW, I do have a lot of experience with latinos. Both in their country and in this one. No ethnic group is more or less intolerant than any other (though white people in some regions in this one might stand a bit above the rest, after Trump). But they can ALL learn tolerance. The difference in schools today, and how it was back in my school days is abysmal. But we didn't see back then black people aspiring to the presidency, or gays marrying, or women running big businesses, or bullies not beating up weak kids... as something normal. There is still a lot of work to do, but it's clear that getting rid of intolerance is doable. Biggest impediment: intolerant parents who resist the changes. But most of their kids are doing much better than them. it's clear that they are the ones who will accomplish this after the intolerant dead weight is long gone.
     
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  3. Pixie

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    Why have you diverted this thread?
    Contrary to the ethos of the OP, you have thrown in an unsubstantiated opinion about a random subject.
    I wonder if you could take some advice from the OP and use facts as a basis for your opinion.
     
  4. RodB

    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    So much for the freedom of speech.
    Decent point, but 100% accurate reality and 100% truthful facts are seldom physically possible.
     
  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Not understanding. What about freedom of speech?

    I assume you mean KNOWING reality with 100% accuracy is not possible. But we can get pretty close.

    We could even make big strides by just refraining from DENYING reality with 0% accuracy. We have seen quite a bit of this during Trump's post-truth era. Even going back to plausible exaggerations would be a huge gain.
     
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  6. ButterBalls

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    Well then, if you have a lot of experience with them then

    should we start at the border or the pocketed intolerant Mexican and south Americans or the Blacks, Asians ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Blacks and Whites Favor Same-Race Neighborhoods | Segregation | Live Science
     
  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Definitely! We should start welcoming them to show what a country with no bigots looks like. But, before that, I guess we need to get rid of the local bigots.
     
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    Well that's no real answer at all :( Then again I didn't count on much either ;)
     
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    1st step should be to get rid of all 535 members of Congress and start all over. Then follow the rest.
     
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    Dude, spend some time thinking this stuff through.

    Your argument is a shambles.
     
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    Because it's a fundamental mammalian SURVIVAL instinct. You can no more 'rid society' of it, than you can rid society of any of our other basic animal instincts.

    A cohesive society is made so by the cohesion of its constituents - and you can never have have cohesion in the presence of conflicting cultures/behaviours. People will always be at odds with one another, when they have very different principles, behaviours, ethos', goals, beliefs, etc.

    Are LGBT folk going to be happy to share their community with fundamentalist christians and muslims? Are African Americans going to be happy to share their community with ultra white people? Are Asian families going to want to share their community with druggies and hookers? Of course not ... so who exactly is intolerant? You can't answer because you have such a silly notion of intolerance.
     
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    So you're hopeful that more parents will teach their kids to be tolerant and gracefully accepting of different beliefs and behaviours?
     
  13. Golem

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    I'm not sure if I accidently missed this response, or read it but just dismissed it due to lack of substance. But if it was the latter, I read it again and couldn't find answer to the questions. So... it could have been either/or

    Do let me know if you can come up with answers. If not, then my answer to you is also this one.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...er-relationship.603979/page-2#post-1073740026
     
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    Eventually.

    For now, we have teachers, then workplace training, and then the scorn of society most of which, at that point, will have understood that the only thing we should never tolerate is intolerance.

    It's a process. But I am very much encouraged by what I have seen in younger generations. Nothing like earlier generations.

    Oh... TV, movies and video games will surely play a part in the process.... And, down the road, maybe even the social media directed at younger generations.
     
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  16. crank

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    Well that's very positive!

    So you can foresee a day when say .. a Progressive Lefitist will be friends with a religious Republican voter, rather than just exclude such people from their lives? Dismissing them out of hand on the basis of difference? Finding 'solid' reasons to exclude them, etc?
     
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  17. Golem

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    Oh.... I can see that now. In fact, I have several religious Republican voter friends. One of them very close friend. A real conservative, so not too happy with the fascists in his party. But would never vote Democrat. We talk about general political topics once in a while but not too often. He likes to ask me hypotheticals like, the other day "Do you think Assange did the right thing when he released Iraq war footage?". We debate soccer more passionately than we debate politics.

    With the other friends, we don't exclude the friend. We exclude politics from the conversation.
     
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  18. Lil Mike

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    So...no response.
     
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    Nice to have friends with commonalities! But I question his political affiliation, I have leftist friends too, and in a political conversation I just smile and agree and tell them whatever they need to hear to shut them up ;)
     
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    No response to what? Did you answer the question somewhere else? It didn't show up in my alerts if you did.
     
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  21. Bullseye

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    Explain to us, with facts how exactly the Republican Party is fascist. They support lower taxes, fewer regulation, more personal freedom and responsibility'; sound, to me, more like classic liberalism.
     
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    There you go! So it IS possible. The poster I responded to appears to think it's impossible.

    I'm sure many people here get along just fine with people who don't agree with them politically. If they're not partisan hacks, you can even converse with them. If they are, you avoid the topic. I even have had friends go at it with each other, scream and gesticulate, and then just change the subject and share a beer. It's not that big a deal.
     
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    Here are some examples from the leaders of your party. But it's off-topic here. So if you want to discuss any of those, do it in THAT thread.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/fascism-vs-education.603337/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/desantis-authoritarian-dont-say-gay-ban.598611/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/desantis-vs-free-speech.598616/

    Oh... and who could ever forget...



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    That's hilarious!

    No! Maybe YOU support those things. The current leaders of the Republican Party don't. And what's funny about that is that you haven't even noticed.

    Who ever heard of classic liberalism giving orders to private companies, or sanctioning them because their executives exercised their right to free speech, or.... Oh... I could go on and on. But if you want to discuss any of this. THIS is not the proper thread....
     
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  24. Bullseye

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    Nice dodge. These are just more jabberwocky.
    Facts, please, Not LW mantras, baseless opinions and vapid blather.
    Sounds more like LW WOKISM.
    So, all you got is a serving of gobbledegook, opinions, and LW mantras.
    Anyway, thanks for confirming my thesis that you talk a great game on fact-based reasoning and logic, but regress to slogans, mantras and unsupported claims.
     
  25. Pycckia

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    Does that mean you are tolerating intolerance?
     
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