Tit-for-tat: World responds to Trump's tariffs with levies on US goods

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  1. Fallen

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    Trump continues to impose reciprocal terrifs. So who will win the trade war? China?
    Or America?
     
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    Germany is capitulating.
     
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    How long do you think NATO will last?
     
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    I agree that we are 30 years late trying to resist tha one world globalist economy

    But I’m still hopeful we can keep our nation sovereign
     
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    This wont effect it much
     
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    Im sure he will. US is the largest consumer of goods by far

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_consumer_markets

    China needs us to buy their stuff more than we need to buy their stuff. They are clearly overplaying their hand
     

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    ROFL .... of what are you dreaming too?

    Nothing is more far away that Germany is capitulating to this a**hole in White House. The reverse is the truth, because we sharpen our trade war knifes now and trust me ... we and the complete EU can hurt the US really heavy!

    But hey ... I know that this will now start a sh**storm towards me athat the US is the victim of the evil rest world and the USA are so stong they can win everything and so on. Forget it, with such brainless BS chattering I Will not waste my time to answer.
     
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    The problem is that Americans have a low tolerance for pain

    And reclaiming our national sovereignty is not going to be painless
     
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    About the chinese dictatorship the government there can just order its citizens to endure any hardship and they must obey
     
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    If Trump continues to blame and insult his hitherto close allies, not for long. Where the US, apart from nuclear deterrence in itself, does virtually nothing for NATO and the few US bases in Europe that still keep it running anyway only for their own interests uses that have nothing to do with NATO. That's why .... who cares!
    And are not these brain-trampled Trump fans who mostly demand the world-wide US troop withdrawal and want the soldiers back in the US? Then go home ...
     
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    That's why Putin made Trump President.
    Remove America from the world's leader. And take the other Democracies with it.
     
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    Trump is making a mistake by targeting raw materials.
    The downstream effect of say a steel tariff is a killer for US industry.
     
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    But you already know who your biggest creditor is and who can hurt you so much that the black Friday 1929 + the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy in 2008 was just a joke by comparison?
    I don't speak about Europe here...
     
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    China cannot hurt America wothout hurting themselves too

    But as I have admitted, a dictatorship such as theirs can survive a hardship better than Americans can or will
     
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    Correct ...
    And if China is not isolated in the world with it, because Trump starts the same BS with nearly everyone of importnace in the world too, instead forming an alliance with them against China, the USA can only loose and hurt themself with it!
     
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    For once I agree with you
     
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    Can happen too ... that we 2, normally in general dispute, can agree with each other :)
     
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    Im an optimist. And plans against Trump usually back fire.

    For example

    We are the largest consumer of goods by far. Tariffs or no tariffs, companies will still want to sell to the people who buy the most. And if there are barriers, companies will find another way. Their utmost priority is to make money after all.

    What happened when US politicians put up barriers in the form of regulations? Regulations hurt the bottom dollar, so companies moved to where they didn't have to suffer such burdens

    Dont you think that this will be the same?
    We buy the most stuff.

    Dont you think companies will move to an area where they dont have to suffer burdens of tariffs? After all, they dont want to loose money.
    Dont you think the companies will move here?

    Trump did lower the corporate tax rate from 35 to 21%
     
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    I do not know about Putin making Trump President, not least because I have not looked into it.
    Trump is apparently still taking advice from Bannon and that is white nationalism based. I don't really understand why Trumpettes go along with Trumps basic rejection of almost all former allies. It may be that he overestimated his power and the extent to which people would be prepared to be minions. It may be and I am sure it is and with Bannon it most definitely is trying to get the hard right into power in Europe. What I don't understand is this part. Dugin's policy which Putin apparently likes was to destroy the EU, fund the European far right and give them air time on RT hoping to get them into power and hopefully get all of Europe into his Eurasia Union giving both France and Germany special powers. They are happy to leave the UK out and see it with the US as being basically isolated...and what I find weird is that this seems to be what your extreme right are working for as well. It does suit Russia, no question of that but it also seems your people want it too. Do they understand that a European Far right is much more likely to align to Russia or are they possibly now going to start not only trying to destroy Liberal democracy in Europe but both Russia and the US work to get a new extreme right/fascist Europe aligned to them. American alt right are for instance working in Hungary at the moment. Possibly Trump is just trying to oust those he sees as part of the Western Liberal Democracy establishment so that they can get the extreme right in instead. I am beginning to think that things are a bit more planned than I did at the beginning.
     
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    What is greater?

    12.8? Or 9.2?
     
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    What about shifting to new markets ... markets which did as counter measure to the US punishment tarrifs the same to US products and so they will look for new suppliers, eh?

    In clear words: If you can't sell your stuff in China anymore due to their counter punishment tariffs on US goods, maybe we can do?
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex.../977066/donald-trump-news-us-trade-war-eu/amp
     
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    awesome, this will bring business back here. It will once again be cheaper to make it here than pay the taxes. Trump is spot on.
     
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    No election results were changed. Russia spent $100,000 in adds on Facebook. They also organized a BLM event to protest Trumps victory. Because their objective was not to elect Trump but to sow discord.

    Hillary $768 million Trump $ 398 million
    If 100,000 was all it took...
    Keep making excuses to why she lost.
     

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