To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.

Official corruption at the highest levels is now well documented and remains unpunished.

"A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails."
POLITICO, PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION, Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire,
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton., By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN 01/11/2017
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

 

Trump did not use the word, "corruption," in his April 21 call to Zelensky.

Trump did not use the word, "corruption," in his July 25 call to Zelensky.

https://apnews.com/92fd8a4743e8447a8f8a7ec301ebe993

For what exactly?

 

I thought the dem clown show was good at 2 + 2?

 

Start with bribery, extortion and obstruction of justice. You know - corruption.

 

BAD timing for Dems with this article. Yermak, a top aide to Ukrainian President Zelensky, says they "never had that feeling” that US aid & investigations were connected. "We did not have the feeling that this aid was connected to any one specific issue."

Exclusive: Top Ukraine Official Andriy Yermak Casts Doubt on Key Impeachment Testimony

 

Poor dems, wanting to impeach Trump over something that has no victim and that never happened.

 

This sounds awfully like your prediction about how women would vote out the GOP controlled senate in 2018 should they confirm Kavanaugh,.
You could not have been more wrong.

 

Go on and impeach him, the Senate will never do it. Why the Left is so anxious to kill the goose laying the golden eggs is beyond me. This country is in better shape than it's been in decades. Especially after Obama screwed it up so much. Economists are blown away. We have the hottest economy on the planet. Trump brought back manufacturing they said was gone and not coming back. He fixed our military that had 70% of Navy and Marine fighter jets and helicopters grounded. Submarines out of service, some up to four years. He fixed our VA where over the years hundreds of vets died waiting to get in and get care. Got over 700 generic drugs ok'd to put on the market to help lower drug prices. Allowed terminal patients to try experimental drugs to try and save their life or at least extend it.Has come out with a new rule that should make health care cheaper and which you chose the kind of health care you want, not your employer and you can take that plan from job to job. Has hospitals that has to be up front with all their charges so your not surprised at what your bill will be. We have more people working than any time in our history, Blacks and Hispanics have the lowest unemployment in their history, the stock market is the highest it's been in it's history. The Democrats want him impeached why? So they can go in and screw it up again?

 

Government officials, meaning individuals, not the Ukrainian government.

Big deal. I suspect that a British operative or a French operative also was consulting the DNC.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.

Republicans and Trump's fans are really desperate.

 

I was going to say the same think. Sandy is his own best audience.

 

House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against Trump on Tuesday, saying he had abused the power of his office and obstructed Congress in its investigation of his conduct regarding Ukraine.

The U.S. President will face a trial in the Senate probably in January.

Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are both looking ahead to the Senate impeachment trial, but there is a growing divide between the two over what that trial should look like.

The foreign minister of an unfriendly power met with Trump in the Oval Office for the second time. Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is in Washington for a scheduled meeting and met with Trump in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

The president of an American ally, Ukraine, fighting the aggression of that hostile foreign power has not met with Trump in the White House. Trump has refused to meet with Zelensky.

The DOJ’s inspector general, Michael E. Horowitz, rejected one of Trump’s main attacks on the F.B.I. and declared the bureau had adequate reason to investigate the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia. Trump's A.G., Bill Barr, strongly disagrees with his own I.G.'s report. Trump attacked his own FBI director for supporting the report.

Vladimir Putin must be enormously pleased by all this.

Judging from posts by Trump's fans, they, too, seem to be quite pleased with Trump's performance.

 

Putin would be pleased with all the division the dem clown show has created.

Did you see the two charges? Dems are idiots trying to recreate the disastrous Andrew Jackson impeachment. They are so proud that they referenced it plus the fact they are in such a hurry the shelved subpoenas and are willing to bypass process for headlines.

History will not be kind to the dems charade.

BTW, the IG had a narrow investigation that did not go beyond the FBI and had no subpoena power. That Durham felt the need to counter the media hype to educate the people should give you pause.

 

I did not ask about Trump. I asked about the Bidens.

I am weary of the use of unspecified accusations by Trump's fans. It is a sure sign they are making up the accusations.

Please explain the crimes committed by either or both Bidens. Be specific, or ignore this post and we will know you just made it up, and you know the Bidens did not commit any crimes.

 

I know you don’t see any problem with the revolving door of Congress critters kids getting lucrative jobs with corrupt companies in corrupt countries.

 

Ukraine is dependent upon Trump for military aid. You probably know that by now. The very last thing a Ukrainian official wants to do is piss off Trump. Mostly, though, they do not want to get involved in our elections.

 

The dem clown show is calling Yermak and Zelensky liars. Wonder how that affects the relations they claim are so important.

 

House Democrats unveiled two articles of impeachment against Trump on Tuesday, saying he had abused the power of his office and obstructed Congress in its investigation of his conduct regarding Ukraine.

Republicans reacted to the announcement by carefully avoiding any mention of the evidence against Trump just as they had in the hearing yesterday.

One example is Republican Congressman Kevin McCarthy who, speaking to reporters, argued the process is based on dislike of President Donald Trump, which is pure B.S. He asked viewers to look at the facts, then promptly ignored the facts because they are damaging to the accused.

More B.S., Republicans maintain that the articles, abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, are the result of a Democratic-led campaign for impeachment since Trump took office, and that Democrats are seeking to overturn Trump's election using a partisan process.

After an exhaustive search there was only one reference to the actual facts in the case. Trump and his allies have long maintained that the President was acting within his authority when he withheld the aid money from Ukraine, which was ultimately released, and that he was concerned with the country's reputation for corruption.

Of course, he was within his authority. No one has questioned that. They are questioning the reasons he withheld critical military aid to a valuable ally fighting Russian aggression. In his two phone calls to Zelensky, Trump never mentioned corruption.

 

Hard to avoid evidence that doesn’t exist. All the dem clown show has is hearsay and assumptions.

 

And Trump will remain your President for at least a year after that, with you unable to do anything about it.

 

We know that at least one British/Russian operative was working with the DNC.
Please name the French spy?

Are you really denying that the Ukrainian government has been one of the most corrupt in a world full of corrupt governments?

Did you know that Ukraine still cannot account for over $Billion of aid that flowed into Ukraine before Trump was elected?

 

Even the impeachment obsessed DP House bosses could not find any evidence of Trump committing "bribery, extortion and obstruction of justice". But those crimes are only a small part of The Bidens' corrupt practices. Have you actually read what finally came out of Nadler's "committee"?

 

Nope, I said that. Please try to follow along.

Of course, they are lying. Pissing off your sugar daddy is never a bright idea.

 

Just another of your many claims you know you cannot demonstrate true

 

You need to read more carefully. The Bidens, like most professional political crooks = "bribery, extortion and obstruction of justice".

Now exactly what have the DP House bosses accused Trump of doing?

 

A review of a tiny fraction of the evidence against Trump. Trump fans have tendency to forget.

“I would like you to do us a favor, though.”

This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

“What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted a reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied [Trump's chief of staff] Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down on the Biden investigation. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

“If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

“They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html