To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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  1. RodB

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    You cannot expose the truth and educate the people by keeping 95% of the information locked in a secret room with one person deciding what little tidbits he will feed the people.
     
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    Trump's words, the evidence, and even the chief of staff do not say anything other than no quid pro quo. So far all of your "evidence" is hearsay with nobody with direct knowledge of the Ukraine situation. There is one piece of hard evidence -- the transcript of the call -- and all you guys can do is scrape and parse and try to connect dots that don't exist. Sen. Ron Johnson does have direct knowledge being involved with all of the planning and discussion meetings associated with the military aid. But nobody wants to hear him. Chuck Todd had him on and essentially cut him off and shut him up when he started to portray his first hand information. In the discussion meetings on withholding military aid the direct witness says Biden or other investigations never came up and was not even in anybody's mind -- a complete no-op.
     
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    This false meme that has been issued fails miserably.

    The room is not locked. The depositions are being conducted with equal participation by an equal number of Republican and Democratic representatives and their respective counsels being allocated equal time for questioning, in strict compliance with congressional rules passed by a Republican-controlled House under Speaker Boehner, avoiding the "circus" and/or "freak show" that Republican Trey Gowdy declared public hearings can become.

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    “Well, our private hearing was much more constructive than the public hearing. I mean,
    public hearings are a circus... I mean, that’s why I don’t like to do them. I don’t do many of them.
    I mean, it’s a freak show. I mean, the private interviews are much more constructive.”

    After the depositions have been expeditiously take, the public phase will commence.

    The fake hysterics concerning process does not divert attention from the substance that is being exposed, despite the attempts to gag witnesses.
     
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    Speaking of memes you are just parroting the nice words of Schiff who has as much credibility as CNN. I wonder what happened to his absolute proof of Trump-Russia conspiracy.

    As Boehner said, he in no way signed off on secret impeachment hearings... wasn't even brought up or discussed. I suppose you are aware the congressional committees hold secret confidential meetings all the time and have for centuries....... or maybe not.
     
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    I have stated the pertinent facts, and you are unable to refute any of them.
    Not that it is relevant, but I don't know who told you about absolute truth of a Trump-Russia conspiracy. The Trump Justice Department Special Counsel was appointed "to oversee the previously-confirmed FBI investigation of Russian government efforts to influence the 2016 presidential election and related matters." The FBI, NSA, and CIA's finding that Russia had conspired to help Trump and hurt Clinton was confirmed in the report by the Republican-controlled Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. I had noted from the start that, simply because Trump and Putin wanted Trump elected to serve their respective agenda did not require active complicity.
    Thus, in the absence of any exceptions having been noted in the rules adopted by Boehner's Republican-controlled Congress, those rules are being followed as enacted.
     
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    The house rules are and have been for some time that impeachment hearings are not to be held in closed sessions, so the rules are not being followed, not accounting of course for the house calling impeachment hearings hearings on the production of apple pie or some such.
     
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    Please quote your imaginary rule with the appropriate citation. If it doesn't exist, you need not bother.
     
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    The Deep State plays you like a drum.
     
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    Precedence. You want to change that.....it WILL come back to haunt you.
    Not good for America at all, but then again the Deep State doesn't care.
     
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    "Precedence" is not a rule. That applicable rule, with no exceptions, was enacted by the Republican-run Congress in 2015.

    Desperate Trump bum kissers cannot suddenly make up a phony rule calculated to transform an orderly procedure into the "circus" and "freak show" that Republican Trey Gowdy had cautioned happens with public hearings.

    They would do better to try to contrive a credible defense.
    What does "precedent" say about Fake Don's scoffing at subpoenas and trying to gag witnesses?
     
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    When the dems vote to start an impeachment inquiry, we can discuss
     
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    It's good to have the facts emerging despite the intense efforts to hide them or divert attention from them.
     
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    What facts? Nothing has come to lighr, Shifty’s keeping it all locked away
     
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    You can pretend that all is being kept hidden if you need to, of course, but the inquiry, in testimony after testimony, is making rapid progress. Key witnesses are testifying despite Trump's trying to get them defy subpoenas. Following the depositions before equal numbers of Republican and Democratic members of the three committees, it will proceed to the public stage. You can imagine that Trump will be exonerated by the revelations.
     
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    Um 1) they aren’t equal numbers of dems and rep on the committees
    2) you have no idea what’s being said because it is hidden
     
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    The inquiry is making far better progress than if it were a public spectacle, and turned into a "circus" or a "freak show" as Trey Gowdy warned and some clearly wish.

    I agree that conclusions based upon what is being reported are presumptuous. The committees conducting the inquiry must complete their depositions before proceeding to the next phase.

    Trump's hysterics over those who are testifying in private is premature.
     
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    You have no idea what sort of progress they are making
     
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    We must be patient.
     
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    Frankly, if they had anything real Shifty would leak it.

    The fact he is not releasing transcripts highlights he isn’t getting what he wants
     
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    There is no such rule

    That's the nature of Committees. I believe the Dems outnumber the Republicans by ONE.

    As all investigations are...so as not to allow witnesses to tailor testimony to prior witness statements

    Now you WANT leaks?
     
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    That’s just Shifty nature.

    No not all, the Russian hearings, many were public, same with beneghazi
     
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    The initial ones were NOT
     
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    Meh, big tent or small tent, a circus is a circus, and that's all this is. You folks failed at 'collusion', with professional investigators. Now you are going for 'impeachment' behind closed doors and nothing but hearsay being released as fact. This is going to fail miserably...
     
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    Impeachment is no longer in question.

    It WILL happen. Trump will be only the fourth President Impeached. Quite an accomplishment

    The question then will be about CONVICTION
     
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    Yep they were. Some where closed
     

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