To Impeach Trump or?? Consequences for Inciting Insurrection.

it must be a mess in that sad part of this Earth where everybody is eating their own out of panic for survival after losing their terrorist dreams

 

I agree that Trump has brought this on himself. This whole election fraud, the election was stolen was in itself a fraud on our election system and the country committed by Trump, himself. I not sure impeachment is the right way to go, but if the house goes ahead with it, I'm fine with it. Impeachment has no other penalty outside removal from office which Trump will be gone in 10 days.

I'm kind of ambivalent about it, although I don't have a problem with it. I view this more or less as Trump bringing this on himself. As I said from the beginning of his presidency, Trump was Trump's own worst enemy. His personality, his actions, his very thin skin ego brought all of this on him. It's almost like he thought he was still living in the world of his TV reality show and not the real world.

What happens, happens. I have no sympathy for the man as he was in my opinion, not ready for prime time, not ready to be president.

 

It would require an exodus from the conspiracy believing populist (Trumplican) wing of the party. Unfortunately that is now the majority of the Republican party, so I don't see that happening any time soon. Conservatism is gone for many years to come.

 

The House and Senate aren't the only ones that want to sever ties with Trump, New York City wants to sever ties with Trump as well. What do you think about that?

 

You can rest assured that we have our way and I hope we will, Trump isn't going to get away with this and He'll have to face what's coming to him and it won't be good for Trump and his loyal followers but good for us.

 

You have described Blue mentality on this issue quite well.

 

you must be looking in a fiery red mirror lol

 

I don't know if you want to believe this, But when Rep.Liz Cheney R-Wyoming voted to impeach Trump, The state Rep.above her said Cheyney should resign. Get it? It's true.

 

In my three quarters of a century of life I have seen many inaugurations. This is the first time 20 thousand troops has to be brought in to protect the process from the Republican party. What are we going to do the Republican congressmen who want to bring their guns to the floor of the house and pose a real threat to the speaker and liberal members.

 

Trump's coup was foiled by key Republicans — but their ranks are shrinking (msnbc.com)
What Trump's impeachment accomplished — and what it didn't (nbcnews.com)
With the House’s impeachment vote on Wednesday, we got the start of a GOP debate on President Trump, his behavior and Trumpism.

But that debate turned into a rout — 197 House Republicans opposing Trump’s impeachment, versus 10 voting for it.


Now 10 House Republicans supporting their president’s impeachment wasn’t insignificant: It’s more than the House Democratic defections in Bill Clinton’s impeachment (five) and House GOP defections in Trump’s first impeachment (zero).

If Trump is convicted, Does that mean that Pence will have to take over as President? If that happens, Pence would have less than a week and shorter term than William Henry Harrison, But maybe Joe Biden would be President before the official inauguration. How would anyone sort this out?

 

This should have been the best month of President Donald Trump's life. Sure, he'd just lost re-election to Joe Biden. But he never really wanted to be president in the first place. The whole song and dance in 2016 that ended with Trump's winning the election was a branding effort that went too far, if we're to believe the reporting.

A return to private life should have been a triumphant capstone to his wild run. But Trump has spent the last four years tanking not only his own brand, but the Republican Party's as well. And the GOP is even less pleased than the dozens of investors, banks and business partners he's burned during his business career.
Trump doesn't deserve anything. He couldn't or wouldn't make America Great Again like he said he would. What does that tell you? He didn't have any political or government experience like Joe Biden, Hilary Clinton, Barack Obama, Kamala Harris do or anyone else in Government. He's just a crooked Real estate jerk and that's all. a grandstanding snob that wants his way in the worst way. He didn't do anything to make America Great again. Simple as that.

 

Speak your mind mate .. quit talking gibberish - what attributes are you referring to - that are being looked at in the mirror.

Eating their own - while descriptive of red as well - is also what Blue has been doing with their walk into the abyss - Cancel Culture is expanding .. and when you start cancelling middle of the road fence sitters like myself - Michael Moore - Alan Dershowitz - and so on - I could classify this as "eating their own"

Lowering the "Terrorism Bar" to a protest that gets out of control - is also "eating their own" BLM .. and in an analogous sense - eating all of us as this is horrible precedent - and out of control stupidity - along with a massive dose of Orwellian Hypocrisy.

This is not a proud moment for Blue - nor their conduct over the last 4 years.

We all dislike Trump - and once again - my arguments against him are way better than yours - but there was no need for this hyperbolic clown show.

Trump should have been shamed ... now he can play the victim card - legitimately - which does nothing but feed his base - and endears Blue to no one other than the folks who are already beaming blue sycophants.

 

he should have been tarred and feathered live on his stupid TV show ...but leave the hair alone, and never even heard of Obama / Kenya

 

No.

Republicans still LOVE Trump. As of Jan 11 USA Today polling has Trump job approval at 70% among Republicans. And, almost all Republican congressmen refuse to object to the attempt to defeat our democracy.

That is a big deal, as it is WAY large enough to make Trump a player for years. It's going to be next to impossible for the Republican party to recasting itself as something other than the party of armed assault on American democracy.

The assault on the Capitol was very clearly intent on armed entry. They came with zip ties. Who do you think they were going to zip tie?? They came with bombs, home made napalm, guns. That insurgency was NOT out of control. They very nearly succeeded in reaching our congressmen. They very nearly succeeded in having our congressmen in their zip ties - or worse.

That WAS and act of terrorism. It clearly meets every criterion.

 

Do you really think playing the victim card in any way reduces his shame or improves his position in the eyes of history? Trump has been playing the victim fro the day he was born.

 

Evidence for your claim ? - I set out some criteria in previous responses .. interesting how yours will match up.

Tell me your criteria for who is a terrorist- where you have the bar set.

Very confident and "Defacto" you are .. I look forward to this solid argument for your position.

 

Worst of all this is hurting the GOP where it hurts them the most , in the wallet. Big donors are rethinking the value of being branded with a party run by Nazis and Q-anon loons.

 

True - in every respect - but we are not talking about the eyes of History - in the chapter "Class Clown" that will be written - has already been written .. We are talking about the raging masses - and how they will respond .. and it is exactly as I told you.

Not that anyone will have great sympathy for Trump - he may well be come a pariah to high society -and a recluse - or maybe not ..

At the end of the day it doesn't matter .. Trump is gone and we need to move on ..

The claim that protestors who get out of hand and wreck some stuff - and some people get hurt -is "Terrorism" .. is "Terrifying"

This is on the level of a mindless Zombie - given the abject hypocrisy of those making the claim .. Biden Most of all.

What was Biden doing for much of the last decade ? Upholding his oath to - defend this nation against all threats .. both foreign and Domestic.

This was the Phrase that came out of the mouth of many Blue House members during the hearings - many times - pathetic platitudinalization .. and yes I just made up that word.

So what was it that Biden was doing ? .. in relation to terrorists - Al Qaeda in particular - those 911 folks - Most of the last Decade.

Tell me how he was defending the nation against this foreign Terrorist Threat - Enemy numero uno in the War on Terror.



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What does Obama/Kenya have to do with his massive support for Terrorism - and Biden was there too ya know -

Yet somehow - protesters marching on a building and doing some damage is now far worse than Al Qaeda

Nothing a little "Orwellian" speaking to you Hypocrisy on Steroids ? .. how do you classify it - these mindless Dems - including our new President ..

The Clown Show continues !

 

I don't need my own special definition of domestic terrorism. The FBI definition is quite good enough.

What sets the Jan 6 instance of domestic terrorism apart is that it was a violent and lethal assault directed against our most fundamental belief, democracy, as well as the persons we elected to represent us in government. They attempted to use lethal force to end our form of government.

 

For years now, the terrorist threat in America is domestic terrorism, not AQ, ISIS, or other foreign groups.

The FBI points out that the majority is coming from white supremacist groups inside the USA.

 

that type of spew is why America is thrilled you can only burp it mildly from now on

 

Yeah, I seen that and I'm fine with that too. I would call it holding those accountable for their actions, well, votes anyway. Hopefully, nothing like this ever happens again. I would also say, whatever comes down the road on Trump, he deserves it. I have read where a lot of banks and previous businesses who done business with Trump are also deserting him. That man has a problem. This isn't only hitting those responsible in the GOP, it is also hitting Trump's wallet. Probably the last thing he expected.

I bet Trump thought he could ride his term as president to hefty financial rewards, just the opposite seems to be happening.

 

I agree. But, I don't see that as covering the problem.

Future presidents need to know that this behavior is not going to be accepted - that when one swears an oath of office such as does the president, he better see that as real.

At this point, there is still the opportunity to deny him elected office forever. Surely that is warranted given what he has done. And that makes it a little easier for Republicans to be free of Trump as they work out what being a Republican should mean.

Any future president could decide that he/she could rake in millions through talk radio, book deals, public appearances, etc. even after attacking America from within if we choose to take no action against Trump. If there is zero penalty, others will do it.

Question: If driving an insurgency against the US government in order to defeat our democracy and thus retain office isn't an impeachable offense, than what could POSSIBLY be an impeachable offense?

 

Oh, I agree. Like I said, Trump deserves everything that comes his way. Trump could have left office with millions of chances like you stated. That is if he took his defeat like a man and not come out acting and performing like an egotistic spoiled four year old brat who didn't get his way. Trump and his businesses may never recover to where they were because he wouldn't behave like an adult. But then again, when has he? His name calling, throwing of temper tantrums were all antics of that four year old spoiled brat along with his 3rd grade schoolyard bullying tactics.

Trump himself has caused all the repercussions that will be coming his way. He has only himself to blame, no one else. He'll also have quite a lot of other legal problems. All deserved.