To our right wing half man president. A shoe clerk by all standards.

You didn't answer the question.

 

How do their suicide numbers stack up against the general public, drug addicts alcoholics, postpartum depression etc. Is there sufficient cause to deny them their civil rights?

 

Myself, I could not care less. I have worked with, and even hung out with after hours more than a few who are transgender. And that includes both pre and post surgery. Interestingly enough, one was a retired CPO who I worked with at Hughes. We had even served on the same ship, although 15 years apart. And more than once we hung out and got a beer after work. She was cool to hang out with, I could not have cared less that at one time she had the same plumbing I do.

Personally, I could not give a frack. It is in things like this that my Libertarian side starts to come out strongly. Live and let live, I could not care less how somebody chooses to live their lives, so long as they hurt nobody else.

And I have always found it rather childish when people then start to go on about "civil rights". Generally, it is not even about "civil rights", but "what they think.

Consider this, and I am injecting no opinion whatsoever. But recently a lot of people were screaming when the President overturned a law which they claimed allowed the mentally ill to buy guns. And some people went insane. TDS in action.

Now the same people are screaming that the military should be allowed to accept people that the APA recognizes have a mental disorder into the military.

Make any sense? It sure does not to me. So it is not "civil rights", it is simply that they think they should get whatever they want because their opinion says so.

 

The military does prohibit people like that from joining.

Look, the military is not, does not, and never should be an "equal opportunity employer". Period. Drug addict or alcoholic, you can't join. Period. Do not pass go,
do not collect $200.

You want the statistics? Here.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-face-high-rates--suicide-attempts/31626633/

Want another?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

Yet somehow allowing a group with a mental disorder into the military is a "civil right"? This makes no sense.

 

How do you account for the high rate of suicide among veterans if the military screens out people with such potential problems as addiction and depression?

 

And yet you want to inject into this population a group which is shown to have a 50% rate to attempt suicide, and a 20% rate to successfully commit suicide?

Stop trying to flip the issue. How is somebody with a recognized mental disorder have some kind of "civil right" to join the military. Either we screen out individuals who are not acceptable based on many criteria (including not having mental disorders), or we do not.

You asked for the statistic in regards to the general population, I provided it. Now you are trying to get me to explain veteran suicide. There are many things, but now imagine we then allow people with suicide rates on average 10 times higher than the general population into uniform.

As I have long stated, most people could not give a rats ass about the military. I am aware most look down on those that serve, and hold us in contempt. The only time they give a damn is if they can use the military as their punching bag, or to try and shame others into giving them what they want.

Oh, and don't worry. I hold the far right with their "homeless vets before refugees" garbage just as much in contempt as I do those on the far left that try to shame others about buying guns instead of giving free college to the children.

Yea, I hold both sides on the far side politically in contempt.

And I believe individuals with mental disorders should not be in the military.

 

And clearly there were no other tasks female sailors could have conducted at the time right?

 

How do we predict and screen for homosexuals and trans that may commit suicide?

 

Me thinks the progs have gone too far. This is the kind of language that used to be used against the folks who are LGBTQ. Is it not? I thought that language was all but gone? Apparently, we are 180 degrees from where we started. Nothing is repaired in our society when previously hated and banned language at pain of losing a job and prison time is acceptable to the opposing side and they are not held to the same justice.

 

One group has a preference to their own gender. The other has a mental disorder.

A mental disorder.

American Indians also have a higher suicide rate, the highest of any ethnic group. But you certainly will not see me saying that they not join.

However, if an Indian believes that they are not an Indian and believes that they are say a cat and tries to live their lives as a cat (or a little girl, or anything else), then they have a mental illness and should not join the military.

 

What a bunch of crap, blind ignorant crap. Giving people, no matter who are they are or what they believe in ,that pass a mental test and are legal , no one of these people should be deprived the rights of everyone else. Your Homophobia is showing and it is as ugly as it is in everyone of you people. Just more hate being spewed around , nothing else.

 

Oh ya , by the way it is like everything in life being a transgender is only a mental disorder if it is a problem with the transgender person. Spread your hate somewhere else.

 

So me hating this country's biggest threat and enemy is somehow the same as derogatory remarks about LGBTQ. Am I missing something here.

 

Yes.

 

Tying in LBBTQ with the military as far as Suicide rates are concerned is insane, lets look at that , people who are sent to wars that are total lies and have everything to do for money and not being a threat to our borders,(90% of the wars we have been in) increase suicide rate of these soldiers , not only that but the competency of these soldiers will deteriorate fast on the front line when they find out that they are being asked to kill someone for the bottom line of Carlye and Halliburton.

 

Was it good for the LGBTQ community when the rhetoric they used in this instance was used to describe them? How did it affect them? Were there any laws changed to protect them from the language and actions instigated by such language?

Should any respectable LGBTQ be outraged by the use of this type of language by their own community?

I'd say yes, they should be outraged and as outspoken as they have against others using it in descriptions of them.

That's my opinion. I know respectable members of the LGBTQ community. They don't speak like this and they are great folks. I am not gay. You can look at my posts on my religious beliefs. I don't hate them. I fear for their immortal souls, but I also don't make decisions for God nor read His mind. Therefore, we are called to respect each other and be charitable How would you suggest this be done? Is it a good enough moral standard for atheists to add to their morals, even though it is directly from hated religious beliefs? I think so. I can't speak for them, though.

 

Since 1967 the main job of every sailor serving in the U.S. Navy is that every sailor is a fireman first.

In the Marine Corps no matter what your MOS is, be it a computer programmer, cook, truck driver , fighter pilot, every Marine is a rifleman first. That every Marine will be capable of performing the mission of a rifleman in a rifle platoon.

After the disaster of the ambush of the 507th Maintenance Company in Iraq where every soldier's weapon failed, two female solders were captured and raped and after Army generals observing U.S. Marines during the battle of Fallujah, the Army top brass said the Marine Corps has it right and pushed for that every soldier serving in the Army would be a rifleman first being able to be an infantryman when needed.

Why hasn't it happened ? Push back by Democrats in Congress who said it would disrupt the liberal PC social engineering of the Army.

 

*nods* About what I expect. A temper tantrum of anger and screams I am a homophobe. That is really all you can say.

You tune out anything I say and get get pissy because I dare to disagree with you.

Yea, I'm such a homophobe that my best friend of 20 years happens to be a gay guy. I even did some acting with his boyfriend, and remember his spending an evening crying on my shoulder after his boyfriend killed himself. I did not care then, still do not care today who he sleeps with.

And when I made a move to Alabama 15 years ago who did I move in with? A lesbian couple, who let me sleep on their couch until I got a job and my own place.

Yea, I'm such a homophobe.

You know nothing of my life, and to be honest, I find your accusations offensive in the extreme. So before I say something that would get me kicked off of here, I suggest you just shut the hell up, OK? And do not go around just screaming insults because somebody does not agree with you, that is something a 3 year old does.

Although if you have the maturity of a 3 year old, I guess you can feel free to do it.

 

I read exactly what you said Quote "But transgender is recognized as a legitimate mental disorder by the APA. This is not merely homosexuality, it is a mental disorder. And in or out of "the closet", they have an average suicide rate of 20%. " thats a lie , it is not recognized by the APA as a mental disorder. I totally recognize this line of bullshit as simply a justification for your twisted homophobia, I see this all the time on these boards. your trying to spread your hate . and your" I'm not a homophobe " , I know a guy routine is crap and doubtful. So my pointing out that your lying is a temper tantrum.

 

By the way the suicide rate for transgender has way more to do with you homophobes and your constant hate of them ,then their own perspective of being a transgender.

 

That's twice you've used that racist slogan. So I gather you want transgender in the military and black banned from the military.

 

No it doesn't.

 

Calling a spade a spade hasn't anything to do with race.


To "call a spade a spade" is a figurative expression which refers to calling something "as it is", that is, by its right or proper name, without "beating about the bush"—being outspoken about it, truthfully, frankly, and directly, even to the point of being blunt or rude, and even if the subject is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. The idiom originates in the classical Greek of Plutarch's Apophthegmata Laconica, and was introduced into the English language in 1542...

Full definition
To 'call a spade a spade', or, 'to call a spade a shovel' are both forms of the figurative expression which requests that the speaker should, or has, called a person, place or thing, by the most suitable name it could have without any reservation to the feelings or strained formalities that may result from its use. The implication is that one tells the truth regarding the nature of the thing in question, speaking frankly and directly about it, even if it is considered coarse, impolite, or unpleasant. Brewer defined it in 1913 as being "outspoken, blunt, even to the point of rudeness", adding that it implies one's calling "things by their proper names without any 'beating about the bush'"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_a_spade_a_spade

 

By the way the suicide rate for transgender has way more to do with you homophobes and your constant hate of them ,then their own perspective of being a transgender.

 

Oh really ?

After starting out "NORMAL" Then being sent to War, many Tours in combat zones, and seeing people you served with blown to bits, no possibility of an open casket, not much left to view in any case......

You show very little understanding or empathy for Soldiers that have lost much for Our Nation......