To Say UK's House of Lords Is A Joke - To Favorable An Assessment!

Watching the people of the UK careen toward Brexit is like watching a dear friend deteriorate as a human being and traveling on a path toward suicide! The UK Parliament's recent turn of events really underscored this, I thought that the UK democratic system was the gold standard for democracy the UK was the country that produced the Magna Carta one of the world's fundamental documents for human rights. The UK Parliaments recent actions on Brexit shred these notions to pieces on this most critical question that the UK has faced in generations on Brexit Parliaments upper chamber the House of Lords first decides that any Brexit agreement must insure EU citizens who have been living and working in the UK the right to remain in the UK than after political pressure from the Prime Minister and her allies say never mind the UK democratic framework of check and balances on the Prime Minister's power is a joke!



The cold hard facts are that the consequences of Brexit are that the UK will lose London as the financial capitol of the European Union and all the outstanding economic benefits this brings, the people that run the world's banks and investment houses are going to want to have their central offices in a country where the host country is a full member of the European Union so they can optimally look out for their interests; UK exporters to the EU will have to pay a tariff to export to the EU and so will take a huge loss to EU producers and UK citizens will lose the freedom to move to and take jobs in other EU countries. This writer works in retail in a major U.S. city and often has an opportunity to talk with visiting UK citizens and also often has an opportunity to talk with them about Brexit and all these people exhibit fear when the subject comes up, no joy, enthusiasm and/or confidence is shown. I don't have the wisdom of Solomon but I do have some fundamental wisdom and such wisdom says leaders don't make fundamental changes for their group when they know with definiteness that really bad things will happen from this move and the overall good to come from it is a big maybe! Prudent and good leaders don't gamble with the permanent well-being of their people!



The UK is a Christian nation meaning they believe in a Purgatory a place people go after they die that is like hell where there is outstanding suffering but it is not for eternity and they believe in the God that is depicted in the Old Testament Bible. This should add up for the people of the UK believing that the truly good God who is not a fool is going to send these off-the-charts irresponsible UK leaders that take the country of the United Kingdom permanently out of the European Union to purgatory for at least a thousand years when they die and these leaders will deserve every second they spend there for ruining their country!

 

If the Europeans wish to borrow money, they must come to London.
And boy do they all wish to borrow money.

The lords and every single member of parliament have had their vote on the same day as the rest of us. The Lords, just as MP's have no choice but to agree Brexit because this is a democracy and it wasn't their decision to make.

All our votes are counted as equal here.


Just as little heads up for you, the city of London's financial operations are not covered by the EU agreement. It makes little difference to things.
The single market is for goods. Not banking services.

That's part of the reason we don't like it.

 

On the contrary the UK's democratic system is very good.
The fact of the matter is that the public voted to leave the EU and the government is honouring its word.

There are very few guarantees regarding the future but London will still remain a strong centre of finance for the world.

The maximum tariff than can be imposed would be 2% which really isn't much. Most British citizens that move abroad tend to be retirees who go to Spain and France.

That's not really a basis to judge an entire country's mood. I mean you could talk to hundred visitors but it wouldn't be indicative of the general sentiment of the public

Hmm. Most people describe the UK as being a multi faith country although I suppose Christianity is still fairly strong

Overall the world isn't going to end and the UK isn't going to be reduced to a third country just because its going to leave the EU.
Actually there is something that I keep wanting to ask people who voted to remain and that is: Who is the president of the EU?
You'd be surprised by the amount of people that don't know.

 

nope..less than 3% of the population go to church. Most churches are in a dilapidated state and can't afford to be heated

... I think you'd be suprised at how few know the name of the prime minister..

 

I think you’re slightly misunderstanding how UK government works. The House of Commons has primacy and it the Commons which had the final say on what amendments went in the final bill. The House of Lords can make recommendations but they don’t get the final say. There’s nothing undemocratic about how the Brexit bill progressed.

The outcome of Brexit remains entirely up in the air but personally I don’t expect the ultimate results will match any of the extreme predictions some people are making but actually be a much more bland and boring balance of positives and negatives (varying depending on your point of view). Whatever happens, London is going to remain a key centre of international finance and I’m sure they’ll find ways to take advantage of the changes leaving the EU will bring to balance out the costs.

You’re clearly not talking to a complete cross section of British citizens because there is a vast range of opinions on (and frankly, understanding of) Brexit in the country. Plenty of people are worried about what will happen but just as many are excited by what they see as the benefits. It’s the widely mixed opinion that makes this such a difficult issue for the politicians to work with.

You also seem to lack understanding of us religiously. The UK is really the exact oppose of the US in this; a Christian country with a secular population. Many British people probably don’t even know what Purgatory is, let alone actually believe in it. We are generally much more immediate and temporal than any of that. We want our politicians to suffer in this life.

 

So what? Even if true it doesn't mean that there aren't a significant proportion of people who follow the Christian faith
I am also sure that the census disagrees with you.

No I really wouldn't although I am surprised by people that can't spell surprised

 

OMG!!! Fcuk i'm sorry...

 

At least that was a little bit funny but do you have anything interesting to say?

 

Possibly not other than your analysis of the religiousness (or not) of the British people is somewhat flawed, but hey its always nice to chat!

 

Really? So the census is wrong is it?

 

The census is irrelevant to the extent that what box people tick in a form is meaningless - what people do is actually more meaningful in the context of what we are discussing here. If all those 70% or so who tick the “I’m a Christian" box actually participated then the church wouldn’t be in such a **** state! Actual attendance is less than 2% of the population. QED the census is meaningless.

Sorry bit of an edit the 2% figure is wrong....

 

Well that really is a flawed argument. You may as well say that any and all data collected using forms with tick boxes is an irrelevance which is little short of laughable.

Your anonymous quote doesn't prove your point either as its specifically about Sunday attendance.

 

Chuckle away at leisure mate still doesn’t get away from the fact that hardly anyone goes to church … on Sundays or any other day of the week.
Sad news reported here... Daily Telegraph

 

Irrespective of your opinion the national census is quite clear.
Considering that church attendance isn't normally recorded then it makes your argument again very flawed
In my experience the UK does have an broadly strong Christian population and its stronger in many of the larger counties
Finally even your own article actually helps to contradict what you've been saying particularly if you read through it all the way.

Now do you actually have anything to say? Or do you want to jump on a minor aspect of my response to the OP?

 

In terms of flaws one could argue the census is flawed in that it askes a leading question "What is your religion?" thus implying you actually have a religion. By virtue of a leading question you are almost compelled to respond to it; if one was first asked if you actively participate in a religion then inquire which religion then maybe that would obtain a better snapshot. If one is simply asked "what is your religion?" then you bring into the equation elements of cultural affiliations or belonging to or identifying with which one assume is not the intention of the question.

 

I got bored with this a long time ago but was just being polite... its your dime...

 

Have you ever completed a census form?

 

Then you've conceded.

 

Yes.

As I said it's your dime but probably on another thread?

 

What does that expression even mean? The UK doesn't use dollars and dimes. Bizarre.
I'm not that interested but as you decided that it was only the only thing that I wrote which you wanted to debate then I obliged by responding to you.

 

The only time I ever did, I said I was a Jedi.

I am nominally Christian. I practise it at weddings and funerals. I was taught it at school.
I have no beefs with Church folk. I broadly approve, despite that it seems damned boring to me.

Honestly, does anyone care?
If you want a church you can find one. If you don't want one, you don't have to go.

 

Well I don't. I didn't even think it was a big issue.

 

I don't like the government asking me my religion.

I don't like the government asking any questions at all. Especially not loaded ones like that. That seek to divide us. That they will use against us.
Very poor. Low, cheap and poor.

Governments job is take my rubbish away on time. Get to it. Be I Black, White or Asian. Take my rubbish away.
Enough with this stupid jibber jabber. Mind your own business.
My religion is not your business. My full rubbish bin is your business. Do your job or I will replace you.

 

Apologies if off toplc but a parliament with the House of Lords is not truly democratic. Same goes for Canada I think as their Senate is also appointed and not elected.

 

It is however reflective of the political realities of life, which is that some people wield more power and influence than others and no matter what laws you pass this will always occur because human nature exists.

Ideal meets reality.

Democracy isn't a perfect system. We don't aspire to be democratic, we just happen to be.
Things change, but mostly the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Politicians like democracy because they tend to survive it. Me? I just do what I'm told.