To the anti-abortion people, a question...

Pointing a finger? I called the acts desperate and despicable and gave you a little background why it is going on. Are you helping to promote reliable accessible birth control and abortion services in India because that is the only way anything will change outside of eliminating poverty in India.
That aside, your actions would be no different than your anti-abortion activities of today if the victims were toddlers? My actions would be totally different.

 

I was in reference to my earlier statement. Jesus became violent when he saw an injustice he could do something about. Does that give Christians the go ahead to use violence to protect "innocent babies" or don't they believe their own rhetoric.
I haven't heard "corncobs between your ears" since, I think, Mr. Haney said it on "Green Acres".

 

I found Green Acres to be boring as a kid. In actuality Jesus only took aggressive action one time.....and that was because the Hebrews were perverting worship of the Father to obtain their own power. As far as His own crucifixion, he submitted like a sheep to the slaughter because it was His purpose. The Disciples didn't understand that and perhaps you don't. "Not by might or by power but by the Spirit of God says the Lord". Jesus overcame every obstacle, as we will in the case of abortion. Jesus could have called down a thousand angles to avoid His crucifixion, but that was not His purpose.
As an individual now....I believe in praying that abortion will cease. As a member of both the Body of Christ and a member of the culture, I believe in doing everything possible to overturn the laws that allow indiscriminate killing of the unborn.

 

How's that working for you?

Abortion has been around for thousands of years.....doesn't seem to be altered by "praying"

Unfortunately that would entail taking away people's right to their own body so don't hold your breath

 

Banning abortion for elective reasons after 24 weeks gestation is also taking away women's right to their own body, by your logic, correct?

 

In a way it is but it's not really relevant since most abortions are done long before that...

...and if there is danger to the woman or fetus after that then abortions are allowed.....so women's right are safe.

 

Was Jesus wrong? Was his violence justified? Is selling doves in a temple worse than killing "babies"? Has prayer done the job after 45 years and 65 million "murdered"?

 

I'm real surprised Fox Hastings likes your post when you describe abortion as murder. If you are second guessing the actions of Jesus that is between you and Him. Guess if you want to blow up an abortion clinic, that is between you and Him as well. I have absolutely no problem with Jesus driving the money changers out of the Temple. It was a demonstration of God's zeal to have a "right relationship" with His people. Yet it was not a one time fix. We still have money changers sitting in the temple. The only one time fix is to change the hearts of men and women everywhere. Only the Gospel can do that, Are you doing your part?

 

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The word murder was in quotation marks. Do you know what that means?
""""Has prayer done the job after 45 years and 65 million "murdered"? """

The Gospel hasn't done it yet....and the Gospel is how old?

 

They were actually breaking secular law as well as God's law, it's just that secular law was going widely unenforced at that time.
They did not have a right to be inside that Temple courtyard.

If it had been soldiers with authority from the city to enforce the law, and those merchants weren't moving, would you have condoned the use of force then? The text says he drove them away, so it sounds like the primary intent wasn't just to attack them.

Anyway, this is a discussion for another thread, and you're just clouding the issue by trying to bring stuff like this up.

 

“A discussion for another thread”? You really don’t get the point of the thread. The self-righteous rhetoric of the anti-choice people for the last 45 years is, I am saying, hypocritical. They say the value of a fetus is the same as those born but they do not believe it. Their actions speak louder than words which is very little action. If it were toddlers being lawfully murdered, I and many pro-choice people would be on the front lines to stop it, but where would the anti-abortion people be? Praying for it to stop? Jesus turned violent for a righteous cause but hey Christians just ignore that and pick and choose what you want from the Bible.

 

You’re not really comparing an abortion to having a tooth pulled, are you? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Are you responsible for your tooth for 18 years

 

There's such a thing as adoption, if a woman can bear the thought that her child is still alive somewhere being taken care of by someone else.

 

Yes...if you dont pull it

 

Your battle is unwinnable. You are trying to change human nature by imposing your ideology on it. Even fundamentalists have abortions. Abortion continues even when it is illegal and that only brings more misery. The only proven way to reduce the abortion rate is reliable accessible birth control. Are you doing your part?

 

There is such a thing as abortion....

 

She is free to carry to term or abort it is called choice.
You agree the fetus has few rights initially compared to the woman's and she has a right not to carry to term if she chooses but the point of this thread is that the anti-abortion people assign more rights to the fetus than the woman and the hypocrisy that creates in real life.

 

Yes I am. My sex is contained within my marriage.

 

Probably the best way to avoid abortions.

 

FACT: married women have abortions.

Want to avoid an abortion? Don't have one. your CHOICE

 

It wasn’t that long ago the girls in this country were considered less valuable.What makes you think that the poster was unconcerned about what happens in other countries? There is only so much we can do. Personifying a zygote or an embryo is much different than “killing born children”

 

You keep confusing newborns with ZEFs

 

Well now Renee, what do you think of abortion rights advocates that want the right to make a newborn "comfortable" while the mother decides if it should live or die? It's a slightly new concept.....but the same darkened heart. Margaret Sanger's idea worked as far as eliminating the what she referred to as the dregs of society. More children of black color are aborted today than are allowed to live. Next we can eliminate all those that can't speak for themselves in care facilities around the nation.

 

There are no such people.

Oh? Did you want to take away black women's right to their own bodies? Or all women's....


Why don't you believe black women should have the right to have an abortion just like white women???????????
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Silly hyperbole...

 

Your scenario is ridiculous you cannot kill a newborn child. If it is born it is a child out of the woman’s body. If black women want to have an abortion what is it your business?