To those of you who are wearing masks in public.

Maybe a couple quarters of negative growth but not the Great Recession.

Without the deregulation of derivatives the housing bubble would have been a champagne size bubble not a beach ball size bubble. If mark to market hadn’t been changed the snow would have shifted and moved but the avalanche may have been avoided.

I know you don’t see it. That’s why I’m bringing it to your attention.

I provided the facts. Nobody has been able to dispute them. They are a matter of record in congressional and other governmental records. I implore you to offer evidence to back your claim I’m in error. We know you can’t. LOL

Dude. Your attachment proved you wrong. Please answer the question. Where do the people live represented on your graphic that aren’t worried?

It can work out that way. But overall density matters. As does distance between dense areas an a host of other things related to overall population density.

 

Historically land values always recover but collectivization would be a game changer.

Good point about water. Luckily I live in an area with decent precipitation and some of the best groundwater in the world. The Western states have cast greedy glances our way. There was a scheme concocted a few years ago to pump fossil water out of an aquifer north of me and truck it to Denver Metro. When residents of my state found out it was nipped in the bud quickly.

What’s the lumber angle? I don’t know much about the timber industry that far west and north. I say BC should protect its water as much as possible. My dad rode ditch for a couple years where I grew up in a very dry area of Colorado. The old timers would say “whiskey is for drinkin’, water is for fightin’. Whether it’s local, state, or national, it’s wise to be cautious with supplying water to others. Do a good turn and soon the recipient feels they are entitled to the water and attorneys prosper.

Wow, I didn’t know NAWPA was still a thing. If such a project got environmental approval I would not only eat my hat, I’d eat all the hats. Thanks for including that though. It’s a fascinating idea.

 

One of your best posts! JK.

 

@dagosa, post #749 is one of your best posts! Just kidding.

 

The virus doesn't give a flying **** whether you carry a big stick. It also doesn't give a **** about liberty.

Why? Because the virus is not sentient.

All it does is to look for human hosts to invade and then multiply.

If your behavior allows the virus an entry path into your body and it infects you and then, in the course of time, kills you, a least you can claim in your last minutes that you had no fear, nöööö.

You see, you are really not understanding that wearing masks in public REALLY DOES SAVE LIVES.

 

Wait .. why on earth can't you build an 850sqf house? Don't local councils WANT smaller buildings? And why can't you build a pole house if that's what the terrain requires? That's mental

 

Some of that sounds pretty standard to me. Building on a watershed means having a septic system, compacting the ground for access, drilling wells that may need to be bleached from time to time, etc. Some watersheds don't let people walk there. There could be permanent easements that preclude fencing.

I wonder if he's talking about factors on different properties. I've never heard of anyone carinng about the color of a house that is on enogh property to be seriously considered a ranch.

I have had several opportunities to buy property covered by a homeowner association and I wouldn't do that. Homeowners are crazy. They can want to control what kind of totally standard roofing material you use, whether you plant a tree, etc.!

 

Like I said, mental!

What's completely perverse though, is that there's probably millions of Americans who resist masks and social distancing rules, willingly living in homeowner association estates. Little totalitarian states, where you can't even grow a tomato plant lest you break some ****ing rule.

 

Amen. That is a major contrast, for sure.

It seems like vanity is a common thread in that.

Plus, those who refuse to wear masks can not claim it has anything to do with "freedom". The idea that one has to demostrate freedom by taking action that explicitly harms others is psychosis, not freedom.

 

This is what caused the housing bubble.



Subprime loans accompanied by outright fraud in creating the loans, and then in marketing commercial paper. All of this nonsense pushed home prices higher.

Mark to market didn't write the subprime loans.

I just told you what led up the housing bubble. The recession became a banking crisis when the government let Lehman go broke and banks stop lending to each other.

You don't get it. A lot of people aren't prepared to leave their home to dine out, go to a mall, fly on an airplane, etc. The reduction of consumer demand is significant.

 

The total supply of the FEDS, if they had it as planned by the Obamanation of Desolation, still would not have covered grandma's face, that is 100% irrefutable FACT. The Feds stockpiling enough supplies for the population of fifty states--private industry in this country just proved 100%, 100% true, they couldn't meet demand for the general population (in enough time, regardless of Defense acts) much less the medical personnel--nuts.

Everyone should get off their lazy ass and tell their State to do their stinking job because no Orange Man is going to hold their peepee.

 

Do you have enough HEPA filters for every grandma?

 

It's called the Real Estate "Principle of Regression," why Republicans care more about house sizes than masks or grandma dying. Grandma takes her entitlement spending with her; it is the only connection to not wearing a mask and house size zoning; America, not the land of the free, but the land of greed.

 

As I said. You are repeating a narrative you’ve heard but aren’t willing to accept the underlying reason the sub prime lending was possible. Your narrative was created to divert attention from those who were most responsible. I just prefer to go with the whole story, not cherry picked pieces.

No you don’t get it. Your own graphic shows about half of people aren’t particularly concerned. That’s the people who live where I do. We aren’t letting emotions control us. I’m sorry that bothers you, but you shouldn’t have posted the graphic confirming my point of view as correct if you wanted to claim such people don’t exist.

 

Three times code enforcement has told me to fix my fence, the first time I just took it down and painted the posts white to make them stand out, they then figured it out when I refused to comply, and had the business build the six foot high fence I was forbidden by law to build.

 

Land values recover from crashes caused by economic downturns and speculation because there is an underlying value. Farmland value, of course, is mostly based on the return for producing food, but there is a value for some farmland with its uses for other purposes, notably as expansion areas for nearby cities.

The pressure on aquifers and water supplies is relentless, especially in the West. There will be a huge demand for Canadian water in the United States. NAWAPA was pronounced DOA decades ago, but has recently been dusted off in the U.S. because the water problem continues and worsens. BC would be a water source and transit location for water from Alaska.

The dispute is extremely complex. This is a reasonable introduction...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–United_States_softwood_lumber_dispute

BCers are upset because it costs jobs. Both sides have their points, but the fallout bleeds into other areas.

Where we lived across from a dairy farm, there was a great aquifer that produced some of the best water you could imagine. We drilled a well that came in a 25 gallons per minute, but was probably much more (the well driller could only bail that amount and we didn't want to pay him extra to find out how much). But just a mile away, wells were getting salt water at 600 feet (ouch).

I mentioned NAWAPA because I haven't met a farmer who wasn't interested in and knowledgeable about water.

Something else about water ... we got a well witcher who told us where to drill. I don't normally go for this stuff, but we drilled a dry hole well past the aquifer for the area and several farmers swore by the witcher. So, the guy comes out, does his thing with a tree branch, and marked a spot. He gave me the branch and I got nothing until he put his hand on my shoulder. Then the branch bent down! My wife took the branch and got the tug on her own, but not as strong as him. He said she must magnetize a watch (back in the old days when that mattered). She did.

I asked him how come witching works. He said he didn't know. He did say all the witchers he knew could magnetize a watch.

We drilled and got water at 160 feet.

There must be something to it.

 

I'm talking about what we should do NOW. You're all about assessing blame, likely so you can justify in your own mind voting for this jerk...

You're still talking about the past. We need to use the Defense Production Act to force businesses to make what we need ASAP, then get it in position to rush to a hotspot so we don't have to shut down again in response to an outbreak. We also should produce enough so individuals can buy what they want to have.

Real leadership by the Jackass-in-Chief is missing.

"Everyone" won't even wear a mask in public when social distancing is a difficult. Again, the Jackass-in-Chief, President Bone Spurs, is undermining wearing masks even though there is ample evidence wearing masks cuts transmission.

How you can support that Sicko is a wonder.

 

We don't currently have enough ventilators with HEPA filters for health care workers.

 

Are you suggesting that we have all been acting immorally throughout all of history by just going out to the grocery store, the library, restaurants, sporting events, etc? (since breathing/coughing/sneezing/etc can spread disease to others, which harms others)

Are you suggesting that we ought to, from now on, always wear a mask when going out in public? (so as to stop the spread of any disease from one to another)

What about if one is living with other people? Are you suggesting that one ought to then wear a mask 24/7/365? (as one could potentially spread a disease from themselves to another house member)

Is just masks "moral" enough? Should we all wear gloves, gas masks, hazmat suits?

This path of reasoning is utterly ridiculous in every way.

The point is that this is what science tells us. Thus, according to you, there is now a moral aspect as to what type of relationships we take part in. The "moral aspect" of heterosexuality (as opposed to homosexuality) is that "science has shown that..."

Wearing a mask does not combat a virus. Immune systems combat a virus. UV light combats a virus.

Virtue signaling.

I am, rather, choosing to adhere to science, logic, and mathematics.

Nope, I'm thinking of your last one. You said "there is no disagreement within science" (meaning the "scientific community"). That's a randU fallacy, as you're just making up numbers out of your head. It's also a cherry picking fallacy as you are conveniently ignoring such people who DO disagree, as I brought up.

Disagreeing is not the same as "rejecting medical science".

There are also those who are aware of simple mathematics, as well as the specs of masks compared to the specs of a virus.

There are also those who believe that the 100,000 number is SEVERELY and purposely overinflated, since there are numerous incentives to reporting higher numbers.

That would be the State Governors who have enacted such draconian economic shut down polices that have caused mass unemployment (and underemployment)... Direct your anger towards THEM.

Again, blame the State Governors for this. See above.

I also happen to work for a Landlord. Our company is not evicting anyone right now, and we are being very understanding of the current economic situation for such people (as well as our small business tenants who are hurting right now). Our company has also picked up the cost of the employee share of health insurance premiums for all employees under the plan, which was very generous of them.

I KNOW there are people who ARE concerned - Many millions of them, amazingly enough.

What "conspiracy theories"? Care to attack their arguments instead of them personally?

 

Mark to market and poorly regulated derivatives weren't needed to make subprime lending available.

My "narrative" is an explanation.

The half of people you describe can't stop a recession or depression.

Of course, I don't claim many people are largely or totally unconcerned, nor am I "bothered." The economic reality is that people hiding out in their homes aren't spending as much money as usual and their relative absence from the market is reducing consumer demand.

 

We should wear masks when the ability to social distance is an issue. Why would you wear one when no one is around?

Suggest you wear a thinking cap.

Wearing masks cuts the transmission rate. Stop pretending it doesn't and expect the rest of us to pretend along with you.

There's even more evidence the number of COVID-19 caused deaths is understated.

It just kills you Trumpers that wearing a mask helps cuts transmission and may prevent governors from having to consider shutting down businesses in their state. You have this jerk...



... buffaloing you and your pals into not wearing a mask. You don't want to be laughed to of the MAGA club.

 

There is very little chance of my land increasing in value much based on expansion of urban areas. Too far from any major population centers. A huge driver of values here is recreation though, namely hunting. If someone took the time to do guided hunts, one could about match the income from agricultural pursuits on pasture land. Many parcels have sold here in the last few years to people who just want unrestricted hunting access.

I will have to keep up better, I wasn’t aware the project was actively being pursued.

That was interesting reading. What a mess. Being a resident of BC, do you know if the actual subsidy rate by the Canadian government works out to under 1%? If true it seems like Canada is definitely in the right.

Good water is a great asset. I know exactly what you mean about the best water you can imagine. I can’t drink municipal water. When I travel I take whatever water I need to drink with me from my well.

When it doesn’t rain for a month it’s all we talk about.

I though witching was BS until my uncle’s well went dry back in about 2006. A driller came, didn’t witch, and came up dry twice. Finally, my dad, who was there helping because my uncle had cancer, decided to try witching. He had never done it but went to the library and read up on it. My dad was about the most opposed to woo woo stuff as anyone I’ve known, but was tired of trying to live without a well. It worked. He found a couple places where the rods reacted and the driller hit water at the first one they tried. I did not know about the magnatizing aspect. That makes it sound even crazier, doesn’t it?

 

Social distancing doesn't stop a virus either.

You'd have to ask the countless people that I see on a daily basis doing just that. I've even seen hikers and bike riders (all by their lonesome, out in the country) wearing masks.

Nope, you need it more than I.

It doesn't.

I agree.

No, they are severely OVERstated.

Masks don't stop viruses. Governors didn't have to shut down businesses (and had no constitutional authority to do so to begin with).

 

That's a strange case for sure. I've had way more problems with neighbors and fencing than with government at any level - building fences decidedly on my property, cutting fences to store unused vehicles, dumping, etc.

Obviously, our laws and legal system have been a help with that.

 

I'm suggesting that we follow CDC guidelines. And, you are suggesting that you are smarter than our entire body of communicable disease experts.

THAT is the path of "reasoning" that is utterly ridiculous in every way.

When individuals refuse to do those things being asked of them in the name of reducing deaths of Americans, there absolutely IS a moral component of that decision.

It's very well known that procreation and marriage are not connected by biology.

So, I have NO idea why you have twice brought up that idea as if it were the foundation for some argument.

Masks slow the spread of viruses.

So far, you haven't even figured out procreation. And, I've never seen you support science in any way in this thread or any other.

I said nothing about numbers. I simply note that communicable disease experts are in agreement - at CDC, and universities doing research, and at at other significant institutions, such as that of Dr. Fauci.

You cant touch that by sayig "randu". You have to actually admit that you oppose the vast majority of experts in the field.

Yes, but there is far better than that, too.

There are labs that have been studying the effectiveness of masks by doing actual testing.

You want to point out that viruss are small. But, science shows that that is only one issue that is important in communicability related to breathing, speaking, coughing, etc.

Cite please.

And, let's remember that there are large numbers of deaths which have NOT been accounted for - a large and inexplicable jump from past years.

And, since we have had almost no testing capacity people are not even testing those who die to see if they had COVID - unless that actually die in a hospital after having been admitted for COVID. That is, there are large numbers of deaths where no COVID assessment has been performed or is now being performed or WILL be performed.

And, there are also those in controlling positions who don't want COVID cases or deaths reported. You can tell, because governors and our president have been opposed to even allowing counts to be available, and have provided no consistent reporting practice.

Good. BUT, those tenets are running up bills that they are not going to be able to pay within any time period that landlords will be willing to wait. Simply holding off on evictions for now is NOT a solution - it is temporizing.

For one, your conspiracy theory that peole are conspiring to overcount deaths.