Today I watched and listened carefully to more lectures on climate

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It makes me tired frankly.

    Some adults walk to the podium to lecture the audience on climate change.
    What is the Audience to make of this lecture/

    Who is worried about climate?

    It is two groups primarily.

    1. A smattering of scientists.
    This is countered by different scientists. Different scientists tell us the other group is wrong.

    2. A smattering of politicians.
    They do it in meetings. Among the same scientists who warn audiences.

    So this is my solution to the entire problem.

    Solve it. If you feel you are warming the planet, end that. Stop warming this planet. If you are one in the audience, live your life to chill Earth. Stop living it to warm Earth.

    If enough of the nut cases get together, they will chill Earth. They do not need to call my politician. He can't do crap about climate.
     
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    When Einstein rejected statistics, the community of physicists left him behind.

    Just as the community of climatologists left Koch employees and kooks behind.
     
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    More than a “smattering” of scientists
    List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations
    The following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:

    1. Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
    2. Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
    3. Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
    4. Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
    5. Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
    6. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
    7. Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
    8. Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
    9. Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    10. Académie des Sciences, France
    11. Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
    12. Academy of Athens
    13. Academy of Science of Mozambique
    14. Academy of Science of South Africa
    15. Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
    16. Academy of Sciences Malaysia
    17. Academy of Sciences of Moldova
    18. Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
    19. Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
    20. Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
    21. Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
    22. Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
    23. Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
    24. African Academy of Sciences
    25. Albanian Academy of Sciences
    26. Amazon Environmental Research Institute
    27. American Academy of Pediatrics
    28. American Anthropological Association
    29. American Association for the Advancement of Science
    30. American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
    31. American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
    32. American Astronomical Society
    33. American Chemical Society
    34. American College of Preventive Medicine
    35. American Fisheries Society
    36. American Geophysical Union
    37. American Institute of Biological Sciences
    38. American Institute of Physics
    39. American Meteorological Society
    40. American Physical Society
    41. American Public Health Association
    42. American Quaternary Association
    43. American Society for Microbiology
    44. American Society of Agronomy
    45. American Society of Civil Engineers
    46. American Society of Plant Biologists
    47. American Statistical Association
    48. Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
    49. Australian Academy of Science
    50. Australian Bureau of Meteorology
    51. Australian Coral Reef Society
    52. Australian Institute of Marine Science
    53. Australian Institute of Physics
    54. Australian Marine Sciences Association
    55. Australian Medical Association
    56. Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    57. Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
    58. Botanical Society of America
    59. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
    60. British Antarctic Survey
    61. Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
    62. California Academy of Sciences
    63. Cameroon Academy of Sciences
    64. Canadian Association of Physicists
    65. Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
    66. Canadian Geophysical Union
    67. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
    68. Canadian Society of Soil Science
    69. Canadian Society of Zoologists
    70. Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
    71. Center for International Forestry Research
    72. Chinese Academy of Sciences
    73. Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
    74. Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
    75. Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
    76. Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
    77. Crop Science Society of America
    78. Cuban Academy of Sciences
    79. Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
    80. Ecological Society of America
    81. Ecological Society of Australia
    82. Environmental Protection Agency
    83. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
    84. European Federation of Geologists
    85. European Geosciences Union
    86. European Physical Society
    87. European Science Foundation
    88. Federation of American Scientists
    89. French Academy of Sciences
    90. Geological Society of America
    91. Geological Society of Australia
    92. Geological Society of London
    93. Georgian Academy of Sciences
    94. German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
    95. Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
    96. Indian National Science Academy
     
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    Continuing on
    1. Indonesian Academy of Sciences
    2. Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
    3. Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
    4. Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
    5. Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
    6. InterAcademy Council
    7. International Alliance of Research Universities
    8. International Arctic Science Committee
    9. International Association for Great Lakes Research
    10. International Council for Science
    11. International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
    12. International Research Institute for Climate and Society
    13. International Union for Quaternary Research
    14. International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
    15. International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
    16. Islamic World Academy of Sciences
    17. Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
    18. Kenya National Academy of Sciences
    19. Korean Academy of Science and Technology
    20. Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
    21. l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
    22. Latin American Academy of Sciences
    23. Latvian Academy of Sciences
    24. Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
    25. Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
    26. Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
    27. Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
    28. National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
    29. National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
    30. National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
    31. National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
    32. National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
    33. National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    34. National Association of Geoscience Teachers
    35. National Association of State Foresters
    36. National Center for Atmospheric Research
    37. National Council of Engineers Australia
    38. National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
    39. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    40. National Research Council
    41. National Science Foundation
    42. Natural England
    43. Natural Environment Research Council, UK
    44. Natural Science Collections Alliance
    45. Network of African Science Academies
    46. New York Academy of Sciences
    47. Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
    48. Nigerian Academy of Sciences
    49. Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
     
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    And on


    1. Oklahoma Climatological Survey
    2. Organization of Biological Field Stations
    3. Pakistan Academy of Sciences
    4. Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
    5. Pew Center on Global Climate Change
    6. Polish Academy of Sciences
    7. Romanian Academy
    8. Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
    9. Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
    10. Royal Astronomical Society, UK
    11. Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
    12. Royal Irish Academy
    13. Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
    14. Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
    15. Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
    16. Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
    17. Royal Society of Canada
    18. Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
    19. Royal Society of the United Kingdom
    20. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
    21. Russian Academy of Sciences
    22. Science and Technology, Australia
    23. Science Council of Japan
    24. Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
    25. Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
    26. Scripps Institution of Oceanography
    27. Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    28. Slovak Academy of Sciences
    29. Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
    30. Society for Ecological Restoration International
    31. Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
    32. Society of American Foresters
    33. Society of Biology (UK)
    34. Society of Systematic Biologists
    35. Soil Science Society of America
    36. Sudan Academy of Sciences
    37. Sudanese National Academy of Science
    38. Tanzania Academy of Sciences
    39. The Wildlife Society (international)
    40. Turkish Academy of Sciences
    41. Uganda National Academy of Sciences
    42. Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
    43. United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
    44. University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
    45. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
    46. Woods Hole Research Center
    47. World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
    48. World Federation of Public Health Associations
    49. World Forestry Congress
    50. World Health Organization
    51. World Meteorological Organization
    52. Zambia Academy of Sciences
    53. Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences


    54. https://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html
     
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    One would suppose with such an impressive list of alarmists in action daily, that they would have cured the problem by this time.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You impressed me too. So the problem is cured now you claim due to what Einstein did and you blame Koch for climate change?
     
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    One should know that even after we get our act together and help organise a global effort, this will take time.
     
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    Same old excuse. All we hear is man did it, but by golly it will take time.
     
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    Sorry, in the grown up world the big stuff takes time.

    But I did enjoy your projection, it tells us deep down you know better.
     
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    Not true. Einstein is accepted by almost all of the physics community.
     
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    Unfortunately the cure lies in the hands of the politicians
     
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    Took time to make the mess and it will take time to clean it up again
     
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    The fight was over whether to use statistics. Einstein rejected it, the community ignored him.

    He got left behind.
     
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    I do not notice climate changing. If politicians claim they do, they must prove it,
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find no source to promote that claim.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Earth does not have a mess.

    Judith Curry laments

    https://judithcurry.com/2020/10/26/science-and-politics/#more-26687

    If any are this fearful of climate, then they do not belong in the study of climate.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not even clairvoyant.
     
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    May I ask where you live Robert?
     
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    I don't need to be Claire Voyant, but she was fun on a date..
     
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    remember the old quote about god not playing with dice?
     
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    Einstein was discussing quantum mechanics, not statistics.
     
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    "Thus, in a letter dated 4 December 1926 to his physicist friend Max Born (see Bornet al.(1971, p. 91)),Einstein made his feelings known in no uncertain terms.

    "Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the‘old one’ I, at any rate, am convinced that He is not playing at dice."
    http://www.columbia.edu/~pg2113/index_files/Gorroochurn-God Does Not Play Dice.pdf

    You are partly right, and I was partly wrong, his objection was with the way probability gets used in quantum mechanics.
     
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    I am told you have so little time there is great alarm all over.
     
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    Your snark needs work.

    And that ain't all that needs work...
     
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