Toms River, New Jersey Mayor Decries 'Invasion' of Hasidic Jews

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  1. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    Jesus christ guys... Speaking race/religion with some of you guys is like talking about sexuality with hyper-sensible LGBTs... A minefield with no possible good answer. You constantly move the goalposts to make sure you are "offended" every time. Makes me a sad panda.

    Grow a skin, whatever colour you like.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no problem speaking about race or religion. OTOH, it seems you conflate race with ethnicity with some frequency.

    By your logic if jews are a race then so are christians and muslims. What next the conservative race or the liberal race?
     
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    Just curious why the subject deserves comment.
     
  4. MVictorP

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    I couldn't care less - why would I? Every time I discussed with a jewish interlocutor about "raceligion" I found up they were the ones obsessed with it - not I. I think there's a lot of hypocrisy involved IMO.

    No - Christian and muslim faiths are not based on blood; they are proselytizing faiths that see no race nor culture and are open to all. The Jewish faith is based on blood, no matter what Trump's daughter may foolishly think. Your orthodoxes are a xenophobic, supremacist bunch that don't even hide their disdain for "gentiles", like this thread highlights. If that's how you guys acted during your tribulations, the progroms ain't no surprise.

    And I am fed up with you guys, without a doubt the most fortunate and influencial community in the world, persistant whinning and self-martyrization. It's not only annoying - it's downright ridiculous.
     
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    Of course you never express your own obsessive attitudes in the course of those those "raceligion" discussions. I totally agree there is a lot of hypocrisy involved.

    Imagine orthodox members of a religion being xenophobic and supremacist who persistantly whine about their own persecution - its not only annoying its EVERY FRIGGIN religious fanatic on the planet.
     
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    How come one "never expresses" his "obsessive attitudes"? I think I am quite frank enough in my exchanges whitout you having to fantasmize PoVs I don't have. Don't you think I bring enough meat on the table?

    You, in the general sense, are the ones obsessed with race. It is intrinsically tied to your religion, which must I repeat, does not proselytize. A Catholic or Islam orthodox would be on your doorway, trying to convert you - not try to make you leave (which is, admittedly, another kind of problem).
     
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    then why are you so obsesses with bringing it up in every post that even REMOTELY expresses anti-jew sentiments?

    BTW, I ain't a jew by the nuremberg laws and certainly not by custom or belief.

    (only one jewish grandparent)
     
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    If there was some threatening body language or subtext it wasn't very well reported
     
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    You would have probably gone to jail for aggravated assault. You can't punch people for asking you to reconsider.
     
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    I didn't read all of your article and I'm not going to if you want to make a claim about something you should present it in your first post is it my job to read your article.
     
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    Self-defense. Just putting your hand on someone's shoulder may also qualify as assault.

    Never touch someone in anger.
     
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    So this jew is a white man?

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    So you're saying that jews are a religious community, and not an ethnic group? If that's the case, then why are atheist jews considered jews? Your comment doesn't make any sense.
    But that's exactly what I did. I included the following quote in my OP:
     
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    Don't look up you may see things that are over your head.
     
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    You were saying?
     
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    I'm not so sure it was in anger.

    Yes touching somebody could be assault. But punching them is excessive force for self defense. Why not just shoot them 15 times.
     
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    He may have gotten some bad whitefish at the deli....
     
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    Such as imaginary context?
     
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    that's a claim. You have to support it with evidence.
     
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    I have tried to understand this business with Jews.

    It perplexes me.

    I've heard done conspiracy "theories" but I'm but sold
     
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    I am not sure it was friendly neither. When someone you don't know puts a hand on your shoulder and say "you might want to reconsider", you just have been threatened. At minimum I would coerce him to explain himself, fast and clear.

    More satisfaction and less troubles afterwards with a simple punch. The idea is to pass a message of your own, not commit murder.
     
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    The jews whose pictures you posted clearly have white admixture (for example, Harrison Ford has a white dad, so he's only half-jewish), and at least one of them, Scarlett Johansson, has obviously had plastic surgery. But despite this, I can still spot their jewish facial features.

    What you have proven in your post, Pisa, is that there are jews who have married, and had children with, white people. Not exactly a huge revelation.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nd-angry-residents-resist?cmpid=yhoo.headline
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-aggressive-realtors-trying-bully-homes.html

    Yeah, keep defending these people, buddy.
     
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    There's no such thing as Jewish facial features.

    You don't know anything about Jews.
     
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    certainly a possibility. I don't know I wasn't there. I can't experience the subtextual connotations.

    or not.



    well it's aggravated assault vs. Assault with a deadly weapon.

    As I said touching someone is assault but it's not aggravated assault that is an excessive use of force you can simply knock their hand off of you that wouldn't be aggravated assault it wouldn't even be assault but if you punch them for simply touching you that is excessive force and you will be arrested especially if you punched someone that's litigious.

    it would simply be a means to an end. Your message won't mean anything if you're sitting in a jail cell or getting the crap sued out of you. It may be an effort to provoke a punch.

    Again the use of force is not justified if he was raising up a brick saying he's going to hit you with it then you could shoot him dead or punch him but if he puts his hand on your shoulder you are not justified and punching him and that's according to Texas law New Jersey probably a lot more stringent
     
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    Who exactly am I defending?

    I haven't defended anybody I just want the facts and I'm not going to jump to a conclusion based on feelings.

    Perhaps this is actually happening. But maybe based on your post history you simply have an issue with Jewish people
     
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    I don't care. You take your chances threatening me, I'll take my chances with the law. Don't cross my lines.
     
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