Top general says he would resist "illegal" nuke order from Trump

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  1. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's ridiculous. When the constitutional republic was set up Shia, Sunnis, and women were represented in the gov and military. After Obama pulled the US out in 2011 Maliki purged the Iraqi government and military of all Sunnis at the direction of Iran.
     
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    Nope, they had gutted all institutions in Iraq...

    Finally, the Iraq war was accompanied by a purge and assault on most of the Sunni Muslims who had been part of Saddam Hussein’s government and army. Suddenly finding themselves powerless, these people became a core element of an ongoing insurgency against the U.S. puppet government we installed in Iraq. It was elements of that insurgency which turned themselves into ISIS and other quasi terrorist groups that continue the fight against the U.S., the Iraqi government, and the Syrian government to establish a new Islamic state governed by their version of Shari’a law.

    http://fpif.org/iraq-war-huge-ethical-leap-backwards/
     
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    I'm sure you mean well. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/libya/obamas-libya-debacle
    Why is it everyone seems to know what you don't.?
     
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    Great globalist lackeys think alike. That's why they both hate Trump, who is uninformed enough to think the US should be put ahead of other nations in our considerations, for being a globalist road block.
     
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    Yeah, we are supposed to support people for high office who put their globalist pipe dreams ahead of the American People and the Constitution they swear to uphold.
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    That's false, plus the assertion that Japan would not have gone to war otherwise is nonsense anyway. Even if the "surprise" attack had been known, this would not have prevented Japan from going to war. It is nonsense to claim it would have.
     
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    I used to live in Libya across from the US embassy.. Who is Kuperman? He's writing a blob critical of Obama? I'm not impressed. Don't you know propaganda crap when you see it?

    The US couldn't control the Arab spring.. All the embassies in Tripoli had been evacuated, all 7 oil companies had pulled out and Libyan refugees were pouring into Italy long before NATO got involved.
     
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    Have we fired this shithead yet?
     
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    That's certainly what servile chimpanzees like George Bush and Barry Obama have done.

    Flood the West with third world refugees to keep wages and expectations low.
    Remove trade barriers and the West' manufacturing infrastructure through a series of "free trade" agreements.
    Keep dumbing down the populace. Slowly revoke civil rights protections while, simultaneously, increasing the power of government to spy on it's people (the electronic gear you love can be accessed for eavesdropping when needed), etc.

    I truly believe our guns and a zealous portion of the populace who see what's going on are the only reasons we haven't seen
    the trap doors snap shut yet. Keep your eyes on who the globalists push as our next leader.
     
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    For their history, Japan believed that after the attack they could negotiate a deal with the USA, as generally that was how things were done. It was a grave miscalculation.
    The attack on Pearl Harbor by Japan was a dismal failure. Battleships were already all but irrelevant other than for pre-landing bombardments. They did not eliminate the massive fuel tanks at Pearl or Hawaii. Loses were minimal. Again, Japan believed this attack would serve as a powerful negotiating tool - believing the USA would recognize Japan's military superiority, particularly given the USA already becoming entangled in the European war. Japan's navy, army and air force was vastly superior to ours by far.
    IF Japan had sent a massive invasion force capturing the Hawaiian islands, which they could have done, this would have severely crippled the USA in the Pacific theater due to the then vast distances involved even to just try to engage the Japanese. Japan wanted the USA to stay out of their region and believed the attack could force the USA to accept an negotiated agreement.
     
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    Yes. I'm currently posting on it.
    Regardless of where you used to live NATO and the West decided to dump Qadaffi and carve up Libya and it's resources but the plan
    went sadly astray.

    You've made not one single factual contradiction of
    my link. I think that says it all.
     
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    Carve up Libya? Don't make me laugh.. Who are those idiots... There were seven oil companies in Libya with good concession agreements.
     
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    I couldn't find where he lived, lol, but he's a Democrat that worked under a couple of Representatives.

    Education
    • Ph.D. in Political Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
    • M.A. in International Relations and International Economics, School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
    • A.B. in Physical Sciences, Harvard University
    Research Areas
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    Alan J. Kuperman is chair of the Graduate Studies Committee of the LBJ School’s Global Policy Studies program and is founding coordinator of the Nuclear Proliferation Prevention Project (www.NPPP.org). His research focuses on ethnic conflict, military intervention, and nuclear nonproliferation. His latest books are Constitutions and Conflict Management in Africa and Nuclear Terrorism and Global Security, and his articles include “Obama’s Libya Debacle.” In 2013-2014, he was a senior fellow at the U.S. Institute of Peace, and in 2009-2010 he was a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, both in Washington, D.C. From 2002 to 2005, Dr. Kuperman was resident assistant professor and coordinator of the international relations program at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) in Bologna, Italy. Prior to his academic career, Kuperman worked as legislative director for U.S. Rep. Charles Schumer, as a legislative assistant for U.S. Speaker of the House Thomas Foley, as chief of staff for U.S. Rep. James Scheuer, as a senior policy analyst for the nongovernmental Nuclear Control Institute, and as a fellow at the U.S. Agency for International Development.

    https://lbj.utexas.edu/directory/faculty/alan-kuperman
     
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    Sounds like he's never set foot in Libya , but he's on a mission to trash Obama.
     
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    I already did: Kemal Derwish
     
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    There was no attack on Hawaii that could have led to a Japanese victory in the war.

    The Americans would have eventually recovered and gone after Japan full force. It may have taken a year or two longer, but the final result would have been the same.
     
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    Intemperate would define his tweets for sure. I wonder how tempered they might be if the media was not attacking him 24/7 and trying to spin everything negative. On the flip side, I appreciate the candidness of them rather than some lawyered up politically correct statement.
     
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    Again ridiculous. The creation of ISIS and the chaos in the ME is completely due to Obama's stupidity or corruption in pulling out of Iraq.
     
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    Actually he has set foot in Libya and he trashes Bush, Obama, Hillary and takes a swipe at Trump (from Dec. 2016) in his presentation.

     
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    Can not know what didn't happen. It was lucky the USA had the atom bomb when it did to end the war as the Japanese military never intended to surrender, even if all Japanese civilians died. With the war ended because the Emperor surrendered via radio (after two attempts by military to kidnap him to prevent surrender) due to the atom bombs, we learned that Japan had moved all its factories into extensive underground military facilities in the mountains that would have been impervious even to atom bombs. The mountains would shield radar spotting their aircraft until too late to defend our ships - particularly troop transport and supply ships. Our military could not have functioned on Japanese resources.

    In addition to have 12,000! aircraft the Japanese had held in reserve to attack our invasion fleet with, Japan also had 2 separate factories for building jet aircraft more advanced than even the Germans had - 1 a jet fighter and the other a jet bomber. These were not just in the design stage, but rolling off the assembly line. They already had jet and rocket powered aircraft and were putting them into action. Fortunately, few were put into action when the war ended.

    For example, Japan had 75 jet bombers completed and more on the underground factory assembly line. They could carry Japan's suicide flying rocket bomb. While we could shoot down the old slow Betty bombers, we would have no chance to stop a 500+ mph bomber coming at our troop carriers, fuel and supply ships, easily destroyed with all hands lost.

    Their plans were not to attack our battleships, but troop transports, fuel ships and supply ships - which are easily sunk with a single bomb or Kamikazi hit. Japan also was militarizing their entire civilian population and the military had a win-or-die genocidal view that we could only win if we killed every single Japanese military and civilian.

    Vastly faster than anything we had and unable to be detected in time by radar hidden by the mountains for radar then worked, they would have decimated our fleet and left whatever troops we did land quickly without food or supplies. It also is known that Japan had an atom bomb program. Also, by that time Japan may have fully conquered China and most of Asia and could had stockpiled massive oil reserves.

    While our initial estimates prior to these discoveries led to the conclusion hundreds of thousands of Americans would die if we invaded, after it learned all Japan still had and their new technologically superior aircraft land based with mountain shielding, it was questionable if we could have conquered Japan with casualties into the many millions.

    We were very lucky the war started and ended when it did. Otherwise we could have been up against a Japan with atoms bombs and long range jet bombers attacking USA cities we had no way to effectively combat.

    IF Japan had another year or two of military technological development there is no way to know how the war would have turned out.
     
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    Japan had no oil and they were running out of men, same as Germany. They didn't have the resources to sustain a long war. Whereas the U.S. had limitless resources.
     

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