Top income brackets should be taxed at 99%.

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  1. BigSteve

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    Your last six posts prove you have exactly nothing to offer this conversation. When someone posts something you disagree with, you don't post why you disagree with it (because you likely can't), but rather just dismiss it.

    This would be more fun if you actually had something intelligent to add...
     
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    You do realize that your responses still do not address the subject.
     
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    We already function under progressive taxation, and you continue to post statements as such that show you don't understand that no one has a right to limit the income of another person or entity.

    Why should 'you', or the government, be able to decide how much money someone needs or wants to live comfortably? Note the word 'should', what decides the ability to make such a judgement?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Actually they do but your inability to realize that is not my problem.
     
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    Factual?

    You want "factual"?

    I retired from the military at 38. Three years later my wife was killed by some under-age, scumbag drunk driving frat kid who, thankfully, is still in prison. I hope he dies there.

    I went into a deep depression. I couldn't work. I didn't file my taxes for years and the IRS seized my bank accounts. My military pension stopped being deposited because it had nowhere to go. I lost everything. My home was foreclosed on. I was estranged from my family. I ended up homeless and broke in San Diego. Nice weather, but that's about the best you can say about it when you're homeless and broke in San Diego.

    A friend there contacted my brother here in Florida. They agreed that my brother would put me up at his house if the buddy in San Diego got me to Florida.

    That was 15 years ago.

    Once I got here I set up a bank account, which enabled me to finally receive my pension again (it had accrued for just over a year, so that helped getting it all in one lump sum). But I still had to find a job, clean up my credit, address my overwhelming tax situation and deal with my depression. It was tough. It was really tough. But the alternative was even worse, so I decided to do whatever it was I had to do in order to better my situation.

    Now, I own two different companies and employ over 200 people. I own four homes, seven motorcycles and seven cars. My tax situation is history. I have a wonderful woman in my life who loves me not for what I have, but for who I am. She watched my journey from being as low as someone can be without being dead to being pretty damn successful. She was one of the first people I met when I got here and she's spent the last 15 years being the very picture of encouragement.

    So, yeah, don't expect me to buy this nonsensical line that people can't better themselves. I was once a breath away from putting a gun in my mouth, and now I can hardly believe I was ever that guy. I could've made the easy choice to say "F*** it" but, instead, decided that wasn't for me.

    I will do everything humanly possible to encourage someone to get themselves out of a bad situation.

    But I won't do it for them...
     
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    Ironic coming from someone that opposes raising the minimum wage!
     
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    I just don't get the "no one deserves to be successful" cr&p from the left. Communism isn't the answer.
     
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    Would it not be the responsibility of the person who is earning the minimum wage to improve themselves to make more than someone who does not improve themselves? Who do you think should be responsible for increasing their actual value in the employment marketplace?

    The FMW is a starting block for someone with no experience or skills. You raise the FMW, and everybody who makes above the FMW will need to see increases to maintain the level they actually increased their value for. What do you believe happens when everybody's wage increases?
     
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    Anyone can PRETEND to be be anything they want to be on the internet and ANECDOTES are utterly MEANINGLESS when debating a complex issue like poverty.

    What is even more IRONIC is that you have just admitted in the content above that you were the recipient of WELFARE that ENABLED you to get out of that self inflicted poverty situation but you have no interest in at all actually providing others with even a fraction of the WELFARE that you had.

    Had you NOT received that WELFARE you might STILL be living in abject poverty.

    Needless to say I doubt that you can grasp that what you received was WELFARE, albeit from individuals rather than a government agency, but that is exactly what it was. Your military pension was another form of WELFARE that enabled you to get out of poverty.

    So the question is why are you opposed to providing others with the same welfare- benefits and opportunities that you received when you were in poverty?

    And since you raised the topic of situational depression why does it NOT apply to OTHERS who are in poverty? Why would you REFUSE to provide similar assistance to those who suffer from similar situational depression induced by poverty and the lack of opportunities to have a better life?

    Did you not learn anything at all from your own experience about how easy it is to become depressed and impoverished and how difficult it is to climb out of those situations? Do you not feel any empathy for others who are in the same situation as you were?

    Those questions are rhetorical because they apply to all who spout the disingenuous pablum about about "poor choices".
     
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    Trust me when I tell you that the amount of sleep I'll lose over whether or not you believe my story is too minute to be measured...

    What kind of stupidity are you belching up here?

    Welfare benefits?

    Sure, give them the same "welfare benefits" I had: A $300 plane ticket, a bedroom in a relative's house and lifts to appointments, banks, etc.

    My pension is hardly welfare, that was earned. If you had a clue about anything you'd know that...

    I got absolutely no assistance from the government, be it federal or local. I was helped by my family and friends. So, to that, I am in full agreement with you. Let those people enjoy the same type of help I received. Let their friends and family help them...

    It's difficult, sure, but hardly impossible. Those who refuse to try because they think they can't do it don't get a lot of sympathy from me...

    Sure, being poor sucks. Being homeless sucks.

    What's your point?

    No, they're "rhetorical" because you're one of those special types of libs who believe we need to be singing "Kumbaya" and giving everyone hugs.

    Encouraging people to get off their asses and make something of themselves holds far more value...
     
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    Instead of exhibiting any capacity for intelligent discourse, all you're continuing to do is dismiss and deflect.

    That's pretty damn pathetic...
     
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    Let me put the above drivel into a context you might find familiar!

    Thank you for DISQUALIFYING yourself from any further meaningful interaction on this topic as far as I am concerned since it is patently obvious from your response that you gained nothing from your own experience and/or learned anything at all about what our fellow less fortunate Americans experience on a daily basis.

    Sad!
     
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    You've not contributed a single word of value regarding the topic over the course of your last several posts. All you do is dismiss, out of hand, with no argument as to why you're dismissing the points being made.

    That's not the mark of intelligent discourse. That's the mark of "I'm taking my ball and going home."

    You only want to converse with people who agree with you, and that's stupid. More than just I have commented on the topic, and you've failed, in every instance, to exhibit even a fraction of the necessary intelligence to respond in a mature, reasoned manner.

    You have zero interest in having an actual discussion. Accordingly, welcome to the ignore bin, Chief. I really prefer to talk to smart people...
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Gotta love the IRONY and PROJECTION!

    You never posted anything "intelligent" that was worthy of discussion BECAUSE it was all just the same old extremist rightwing DISINFORMATION that has been DISCREDITED over and over again.

    You even FAILED to GRASP the OBVIOUS when it was handed to you on a plate with a cherry on top.

    Can you guess what that is a sign of? ;)

    And then when you had your own puerile ad homs held up like a mirror your response is to "take your ball" and run away?

    :roflol:
     
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    Exactly who is the victim? What are they being blamed for? Hiding from the truth, doesn't change it. If you feel people should be payed more than their productivity is worth, then perhaps you need to be the one to pay for it, and stop trying to force other people to pay for what you deem important.

    Someday, perhaps the facts of why this country doesn't provide free stuff and unending supplies of other people's money to those who choose not to provide an equal amount of productivity to the value of the income they demand, will present it's self to you, without the sad drama of attempting to marginalize people who disagree with you.
     
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    You did it again, exactly what he just told you you do
     
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    It's a fact.
    What's fair about taking what working people earn and giving to rich, greedy, privileged parasites?
    Sure. So did the operators of slave ships. That didn't make their profits rightfully earned. Hello?
    The sad thing is, you actually believe that could be relevant.
    What you earn, or what you take without earning?
    The greedy, privileged, parasitic rich take an order of magnitude more unearned wealth from the economy than the unemployed poor, yet number an order of magnitude fewer.
    :lol: Silly child:

    “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”
    ― Warren Buffett

    Do you understand??? WARREN FREAKIN' BUFFETT just informed you that the wealthy overwhelmingly DO take more than they contribute.

    GET IT????

    <yawn> There are few acts more evil than accusing those who oppose injustice of envy for those who profit by it.
     
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    We are all the victims of privilege. The privileged are also perpetrators.
    Not being strong enough to run the race while carrying parasites on their backs.
    Right.
    You mean like landowners, who are paid a fortune for producing nothing whatever...?
    It is the privileged who force the rest of us to pay them just for PERMISSION to work, to shop, to access public services and infrastructure, etc.
    You mean like the banksters who take billions in return for producing nothing but financial crises?
     
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    I trust the rich person's ability to make good spending decisions on his/her own earned money. I dont trust governments decision-making abilities with someone else's money at all. Talk about corruption! Why do you think Washington DC suburbs are among the wealthiest in US? And you want more money headed that direction?

    My town was built by an incredibly wealthy oil man who also built a widows colony and orphanage, both of which are thriving and funded by a trust he put in place during the early 1900s. The widows colony is now housing for single mothers. Wouldn't have happened if 99% of his income was taken.

    By stealing from others and putting those dollars in the hands of the double dipping swamp in DC you hurt our country.
     
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    What earned money? The larger the accumulation of private wealth, the lower the probability that any significant portion of it was earned by commensurate contributions to production.
    How did it get to be their money in the first place but through government-issued and -enforced privilege?
    Well, American democracy is in trouble, but at least public officials are still nominally accountable to voters.
    What do you think has happened to widows and single mothers in the countries of northern Europe that have high income taxes?
    It's the greedy, evil, privileged, parasitic rich who are self-evidently hurting the country.
     
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    No, the CEOs will live abroad and foreign companies will dominate in the US. There will also be less incentive to become highly successful and do the things to be highly successful.

    We should be a country where people can make it big if they work hard, but they have to give back if they do. We shouldn't be a country where being highly successful is punished.
     
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    What makes my income any less rightfully earned than yours?
     
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    Why was child labor made illegal?
     
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    :applause:
     
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    Right now we are a country were being highly successful is massively REWARDED by only having to pay LESS in taxes than those whose hard work actually generated the PROFITS who are now paying MORE in taxes.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackke...lass-what-we-should-do-about-it/#5da31f111fce

    That is ASSBACKWARDS!

    The people who are WORKING the HARDEST just to make a living are being PENALIZED by the tax code while those who don't have to lift a finger AUTOMATICALLY become wealthier because of the RIGGED tax brackets.

    No, foreign companies will NOT dominate unless We the People allow them to do so. If there is a pattern of Executive Flight from the USA then we just need to change the laws so that DOMESTIC corporations can COMPETE with foreign corporations just as they are SUCCESSFULLY doing in the EU nations.

    Ultimately the solution is Worker Owned Corporations where ALL PROFITS are paid to those that generated them and there is ZERO malign influence from the likes of the Wall Street Casino Bosses and their corrupt minions in Congress.

    The bovine excrement about "free trade" needs to be trashed because it is nothing more than a means to EXPLOIT hard working Americans while ENRICHING the GREED OBSESSED!

    There are plenty of Americans smart enough to be CEO's of worker owned businesses and worker owned businesses can compete against multinational corporations successfully.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
     

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