Top Ukrainian official: Sondland did not link aid to investigation of Bidens

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  1. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    https://thehill.com/policy/internat...icial-sondland-did-not-explicitly-link-aid-to

    Will the Democrats back off now? It's not likely, although they should.

    They won't back down, and it will cost them dearly in the 2020 elections.
     
  2. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This means something awesome for Trump! I can't explain what, but surely Captain Von ****pants did not do what he clearly did!
     
  3. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes indeed, President Trump has helped Ukraine with foreign aid. It's an inconvenient fact, my friend.

    Obama, on the other hand, flipped Ukraine a bird.

    How's that for the facts? :hug:
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are those facts? Sounds like Trumpluv meets the but, but, but, but, but Obama argument, and spawned a ridiculous nonsensical desire to exonerate trump rather than admit he is a ****ing ******* on every level.
     
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    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    It sure doesn't help the left's case. Too bad...so sad
     
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  7. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not sure I understand your statement. Do you think that only the left is offended by the president's alleged criminality? Or that the right is somehow as a whole supportive of it?
     
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    Obama sent blankets and Trump sent anti-tank missiles.
     
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    The irony of this is that it appears democrats are doing the water carrying for Putin here. It seems pretty obvious, but seems our dim bulbs in the MSM cannot connect these obvious dots...
     
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    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay. Can you please tell me where Vindman said what your right wing blog claims?
     
  11. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I posted it, you can prove what I posted wrong.
     
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    Are you calling respected (eh) Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) a liar??

    SNIP
    Johnson said that the US ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, told him in late August that the administration was demanding Ukraine investigate “what happened in 2016,” and that if President Trump had “confidence” in the investigation, he’d “release the military spending.”
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/4/20899096/ron-johnson-trump-sondland-ukraine-aid

    I mean, I can call Johnson a liar, but do you feel safe doing it??

    The likely explanation is that this man is the Foreign Minister to Ukraine, and as such, falls in the regular channel of diplomacy... Most of this extortion was done via the irregular channel...
     
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    What's wrong with requesting what election interference came from the Ukraine in 2016?
     
  14. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    I am sure there are fine people on both sides. But, my point is only about the left in Congress who are pushing impeachment. This official's statement shoots a big hole right through the middle of their case, doesn't it?
     
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    The OP says the Ukrainians were not told of any connection to the aid, nothing about how the US was dealing with it internally.
     
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    Poor leftists, they must be getting pretty desperate as we are seeing more and more that Trump did nothing wrong.
     
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    The whole thing is an internal policy dispute within the State dept and the WH. The left went way out on a limb and now that limb is gonna snap in November 2020.
     
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    Because the investigation is already over... per Trump's former director of Homeland Security.

    SNIP
    "The DNC server and that conspiracy theory has got to go, they have to stop with that, it cannot continue to be repeated in our — in our discourse," Bossert added.
    ENDSNIP

    If that's good enough for me (since anything coming from anybody in, or formerly in, this administration is suspect), why isn't that good enough for Trump?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...dviser-disturbed-ukraine-allegations-n1060051

    If there is a SPECIFIC allegation against SPECIFIC persons doing SPECIFIC actions, get back to me... This general "investigate 2016" is just bullshit.
     
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    Obama and Democrats get flexible with Putin then claim Republicans are doing putins bidding.
     
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    Well...then we should definitely remove Trump!
     
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    But of course these are facts - Under President Trump, Ukraine got military weapons and other aid. Under Obama, Ukrainians got blankets and rations. Deal with it? :handshake:
     
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    Not linked?

    So, the third-hand hearsay witnesses gave false information?

    This is not the first time Ukraine has called the whole Democrat narrative BS.

    More evidence that this whole impeachment inquisition is a farce.
     
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    Indeed, the Right is offended by the Left alleging Trump's criminality. I think you got it right! :applause:
     
  25. Think for myself

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    Rather selective and cherry picked.
     

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