Toronto: This afternoon - 10 dead, 15 injured by crazy driver!

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  1. bigfella

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    I don't make claims without evidence, so you clearly have me confused with someone else. Of course, the cognitive dissonance caused by shilling for dictators like Putin & Assad is apt to cause confusion. Also apt to erode critical faculties. I suppose I should make allowances.

    Making claims without doing ANY research on the subject is the province of the bigoted and the moronic. I suspect you are fine with both provided they agree with you or disagree with people you dislike. In this case we know who the driver was and we know a small amount about him. None of that information points toward him being an islamic terrorist. Of course, if you don't do any research you can just pretend the attack is whatever you want it to be.
     
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    Awwww, look at you trying to be all clever. Soooo cute. I'm not aware of any Islamists who are not Muslims, therefore if the guy is not a Muslim there is about zero chance he is an islamist. That, in turn, smashes your fact free assumptions.

    Of course, it may emerge that he is an Islamist, but no evidence yet.

    FYI, this is another of those times where you go out of your way to convince me you are stupid. Why do you do it? Are you unable to control yourself or do you enjoy looking foolish.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That was my first fear, too, but am glad it isn't! Another thing I'm glad about is, the policeman not shooting him!! Had this been in the US, the driver would be dead now.
     
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    Of all the members on this forum whom I don't GAF what they think of me, you're top of the list. It sort of reminds me of a Simpsons episode, where Lisa decides to find out exactly how stupid Bart is by connecting an electric current to a cupcake, and count the number of times he'll keep trying to get it before eventually realising it just isn't worth the pain. You're a bit like that, because no matter how many times I put you down, you keep coming back for more? So to turn your question around, why do you keep going out of your way to convince me you are stupid? I mean, I've known it for ages. It isn't doing very much for your board credibility you know?
     
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    You initiate these little exchanges way more often than me. No matter who starts it, you always manage to produce posts that would be more worthy of my nephew, who is yet to start high school.
     
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    Correct. Facts are irrelevant to conclusions for some. That is why they arrive at them before the facts are known - they hadn't planned to use them anyway.
     
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    Alright then, let me put it this way, and put it to bed once and for all: supposing that somehow you find yourself in a position where you are forced to make a guess, otherwise there will be a severe adverse consequence - the Toronto incident was an accident, or the Toronto incident was a terrorist atrocity. Which of them would you choose? Take your time now . . .
     
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    Maybe then when you fix your madhouse gun culture?
     
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    Why would I need to take my time? No one has said that it was an accident and it clearly isn't! You have been maintaining all along that it was a jihadist attack even after several facts were released. I don't care whether you refer it as a terrorist attack or not.You said the same after the car crashed into the cafe in Paris ( David Patterson) and the van attack in Muenster even after the perpetrators were shown not to be Muslim. Your reason you gave - the authorities lied.

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...t-links-and-was-known-to-police-a3808526.html
    (Muenster van attacker was German citizen with 'far-right links' and was 'well known' to police)
     
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    Lol, yeah, if this was stateside this van driver would've been dead before he even crawled outta his van;).

    This way, this guy still alive, maybe divulge more info.....he'll never see the outside of a prison!!

    But then again, were talking Trudeau here who pays terrorists $$$millions....so anything's possible!
     
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    No AR-15?

    Hum
     
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    Of course, many in such an incident, when someone with a car, truck or whatever moves into a crowd automatically thinks of an attack by the IS ... by the way, only IS, because no other of the Islamic terror organizations has done it this way until now so far.

    The annoying thing is that it was not even known who and what the culprit is and then went off the hate speech of the usual members of the forum against Islam and Muslims!

    Even more annoying is that even when it was clear that it was not a Muslim, it still went on!

    And it is really annoying that because it was not a Muslim but a mentally ill psycho, it is then for many a lot less evil thing as if it had been an Islamist psycho.
     
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    I know. The guy could confess that he is a disciple of the Ronald McDonald Clown, and some people would still say that he's probably a Muslim. I guess we just have to make peace with the fact that as long as there are people with thoughts and free choice, there will always be those few who spout hurtful nonsense. And sometimes it is just a phase that people go thru, like living and learning. So five years from now, they might have a completely different view. But then, other people come along to fill their place or phase, and the process begins again. Life is like a character building factory, a testing ground for God to fashion us...possibly, from utter fools to hopefully something less offensive or maybe even excellent. Then again, there are those voices declaring the very concept of God to be the cause of all of society's ills. These voices too, I know have always been and will always be. We just have to try to weather it and stay true to our own compasses.
     
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    Our "gun culture", as it is if you're talking about the NRA and people who have carry licenses, are the most law abiding group of people in our country.

    Criminals don't obey the law in the US or Germany, as Europe is discovering.

    Guns are difficult to obtain in the UK for example, but there were still 2500 shootings in London from 2016 to 2017.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500
     
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    It is not all up to Trudeau, the courts will decide after all sorts of considerations and investigations. His mother was already asking for help when he was a teenager and received none. Such loopholes will have to be closed and made sure, such people get adequate care and help in the future.

    Btw, you are totally wrong about Omar Khadr and Trudeau giving him undeserved millions. Too bad we can`t put you into Omars`s position when he was 15 and went with his father to Afghanistan. BTW, the Americans had and still have no legitimate business in Afghanistan.
    Here is the best rebuttal I found on the web, that should all you Trudeau criticizers shut up:

     
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    Has the third world moved into Canada? Is nowhere safe?
     
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    We do know he was a white male native-born Canadian who raved about how much he hated feminists and liberal sexual morality.

    And his incel buds all proudly announce how their intent is to strike terror into all women through violent actions.

    So, definitely terrorism, against women, being it's violence with a larger political motive. And it's of a conservative bent.
     
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    Do you really believe the nonsense that you have written here now? If so, then you have my pity, sorry!

    Everybody knows that the gun law in the US is total nonsense, but you never want to change it because the 2nd amendment to the Arms Idiots is more sacred than the Bible to Christians.
    Everyone knows there are firearms deaths in every country, of course, but everyone knows that the US tops all the countries on this planet that are seriously a rule of law or not in a sort of civil war.

    You know, when I hear like in the past so arguments like "Mexico has a much sharper gun law than the US and it does not help" in this forum said ... then I slowly get doubts whether some people do not push back towards the monkey.
    Of course, the most nefarious and harshest law is completely worthless, if the relevant government agencies do not enforce it, of course, these people conceal it ... and that is precisely what is happening in Mexico.

    Oh yes ... and the last school massacre, of course, had nothing to do with the idiotic gun laws, and the bad kids from the school involved and others, of course, have no idea and therefore they are treated by the NRA like enemies of the state. Clear ...
    Sorry, when I read the headlines in the morning about the massacre, my reaction was just a shrug!
    No, has nothing to do with lack of participation and respect for the victims, but with the fact that in the US you want to change the cause so no sense and prefer to detain the gun right and armed leher for it. So just shrug, because it's just a pin more on the USA map of the school massacres and certainly more pins will follow.
     
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    Whatever potential mental issues this guy had, it is irrelevant given he could be completely 'sane' and act out this way still. He interpreted his lack of success sexually as doom. Contrary to the apparent hate he may seem to have against women, I believe that it likely was more of the complete opposite. He simply opted to kill himself for his misfortune and thought that he could make a big '**** you' to the world at large by his actions.

    As undesirable as this is, it is NOT necessarily an act of insanity, just desperation in a time where the identity politics all around is harming those more specifically left outside of culturally defined groups most intent to posit empowerment at the expense of the apparent dominant classes of 'white' and 'male'. That is, the trend today is to 'empower' by disempowering indirectly those classes assumed to be most dominant. But to those who are already defaulted to suffering in all times, such as males who don't have the fortune to experience normal social relationships, this trend actually penalizes these people even more than ever.

    Of course another problem today is technology. Because primarily the Internet, smart phones, and tech that ECHOES people's own thoughts as though their whole world thinks as they do, such forums that could potentially HELP these people when talking together, act as amplifiers that make the extreme actions more prevalent. Our media is as much at fault too.

    This is a complex issue that needs more intellectual insight. What happens instead today is that people react even MORE in worse ways against these groups (whether disfunctional sexual people or political religious movements like ISIS). We need to first stop reacting in the very ways that only create more problems. I don't see any means to do this except for people to directly TRY to involve themselves rather than finding new means to censor (and censure) these people as though they have some intrinsic "hate" inherent to their being.
     
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    Only sheep with the fallacious belief that "the State" will protect them believe that gun ownership, and by extension the natural right of self defense, is nonsense.

    Sweden tops all 1st world nations in grenade attacks. Why are weapons of war being used on the streets of Sweden? Do they need more "grenade control" laws?

    That's right. Mexico has a much higher rate of violence.

    Violence is cultural, and it isn't controlled by the government.

    The UK isn't controlling their violence. Europe isn't controlling terror attacks.

    The fact of the matter is when you have violence in a country, it's not a question of GDP, or law enforcement, it's a question of HOW MANY MURDEROUS PEOPLE LIVE THERE.

    Regardless of how many butter knives are confiscated in the UK, the murder and crime is only going to continue to go up.

    Why? It's because you allowed people from violent cultures to enter your countries, just like the US started doing in the 60's.

    The majority of violence in the US, as well as the majority of violence in Germany is caused by a tiny portion of violent people.

    Taking away your citizens right to defend themselves isn't going to stop it, as you will eventually learn.
     
  22. Jazz

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    Read in the Ottawa Citizen newspaper:

    Praise for a cop’s restraint


    Re: ‘Horrific Attack,’ April 24.

    If Monday’s horrific attack on Yonge Street in Toronto had occurred in any American city, the van driver would be dead. That, no doubt, is what the Toronto killer was counting on. He figured he would get “suicide by cop” and thus not have to account for his actions. But that cop in Toronto showed remarkable restraint as the suspect taunted him with hand motions that made it look like he had a gun.

    That restraint by the Toronto cop may deter other attacks by truck, van, car. People who carry out those attacks no doubt expect to die by a police bullet. Now they know that in Canada that may not happen, as it would south of the border.

    Joe Spence, Ottawa
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    The arresting cop who showed such calm and control is of Chinese stock.
    Yes, "more intellectual insight" is what is needed, not just some pills.
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Latest update from CBC News · Posted: Apr 27, 2018

    All ten of those killed have now been identified!.
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    These are the 10 people killed in the van attack. Top row, from left to right: Anne Marie D'Amico, 30, Dorothy Sewell, 80, Renuka Amarasingha, 45, Munir Najjar, 85, Chul Min (Eddie) Kang, 45, Mary Elizabeth (Betty) Forsyth, 94, Sohe Chung, 22, Andrea Bradden, 33, Ji Hun Kim, 22, Geraldine Brady, 83. (CBC)

    Among them were two foreigners, a Jordanian father, here to visit his son, and a South Korean College student.

    Read many more details here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/van-attack-fund-1.4638102
     
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    I still can’t believe that someone who couldn’t get laid got to a point where they wanted to murder a bunch of people.
    I mean, what kind of a loser are you to hurt others for your personal problem? And why is it so hard to get laid for today’s youth? All you need to do is listen to the girl and pay attention to what she is saying. That’s it!
    WTF is wrong with the next generation?
     
  25. Jazz

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    Beats me!! Poor listening skills, probably.
    I'm pretty sure I've got some of the Asperger traits in me, too!! :frustrated::lonely: :sleepy: :tp: :yawn: :worry: :wall: :woozy: :angel: :bored: :bleh: :blankstare: ...:cake:yummy! :ashamed:

    :bye:
     
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