Tracking the COVID-19-Virus in Germany, the USA, Italy and other hot spots in the world

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    Couldn't resist? :)

    Maybe you should look at rural areas as the next problem if we don't beat back the virus now.

    "Rural counties have just 5,600 intensive care beds total, compared with more than 50,000 in urban counties. In fact, half of U.S. counties do not have any ICU beds at all. And even if these counties are somehow able to scale up their infrastructure, experts are afraid there will not be enough healthcare workers to staff them. The time to prepare rural America is now. Fortunately, rural health systems will get some relief from the stimulus bill, which allocated $100 billion to healthcare providers. But it is critical that we find additional ways to alleviate the burden on these health systems to the greatest extent possible."

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...oing-get-much-worse-when-it-hits-rural-areas/
     
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    Trumper BS--greet criticism of Trump with a personal attack.
     
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    Well, first I yawned. Because it's pretty boring . It's like watching an episode of mash that focuses on frank burns and hot lips.

    Angry anti American drivel day after day after day after day.
     
  4. Iranian Monitor

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    Thanks for the response.

    My problem, unfortunately, is worse than yours. I had a lot of implants done as I had advanced periodontal disease (mainly because I smoked for many years, a bad habit I restarted a few months ago again). Several of those implants, including some which will be quite visible, are acting up at the same time, with the crowns loose and a couple of them already 'rejecting" and falling. It is not going to be a pretty picture, but it certainly beats being on a ventilator and going through what this virus is doing to some people. Including to 'smokers', since smokers and ex-smokers (curiously even more so than smokers) happen to be in the higher risk categories.
     
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    Waterpik, peridex, nicotine losenges, vitamin C
     
  6. Statistikhengst

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    Good morning, PFers,

    as my day ended yesterday right before midnight, THESE were the COVID-19 numbers.

    Now, this morning, April 9th, 2020, 08:37 GMT +2 (02:30 am EDT on the East Coast of the USA):

    2020-04-009 COVID-19 BOD 001.png

    2020-04-009 COVID-19 BOD 002.png

    That's a steep rise, since I went to bed, so I looked where it came from. Here part of the countries list from last night:

    2020-04-008 COVID-19 EOD 003.png

    And now, this morning:

    2020-04-009 COVID-19 BOD 003.png

    So, in my night, the USA went from 425,828 cases to 435,160, a jump of +9,332. So, you can see that there was a big jump in the USA during the evening there, presumably in the EDT and CDT time zones. 9,332 / 13,022 = 71.66%. So, a little less then 3/4ths of the jump in my night came from the USA, which is not a big surprise.

    You will see that the WORLDMETERS table only shows a +233 for today for the USA instead of +9,332. Their day ends at GMT +0, mine end at GMT +2 (two hours "earlier"). So, the other +9,099 cases happened between my end of day and their end of day.

    Also, please notice that in the countries table, you can also sort by continent.

    -Stat
     
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    Thank you for the hard work.

    I hate to be the bearer of even more bad news but it appears as though nursing homes are taking a hit in Michigan and we are probably going to see a spike of deaths in the USA as a result.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/detroit-nursing-homes-coronavirus_n_5e8de19cc5b6e1d10a6d23f3

     
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    WUTT??
     
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    Which is precisely why I have written here over and over and over again that COVID-19 is literally everwhere. A state rep from a true cow and wheat county that is 95% farm-and-hunting land, in SOUTH DAKOTA, died. And his family is infected as well. He did not not travel of the county in the last 4 weeks. He got COVID-19 right there where he lived.

    Small rural communities that have been laughing at the misfortunes of the big cities and also throwing up racist tropes and ugly dogwhistles (yes, it is happening, what a ****ing shame) are going to end up getting screwed the most, because in a high number of those cow counties there is not even one single hospital within any kind of reasonable distance. And country docs are getting more and more scarce.

    This is also precisely wrote that we need a total lockdown everywhere in the USA. To even suggest that the wide open spaces are safe, sorry, @LoneStarGal, but I have to say, it's still bullshit.

    You only need one single asymptomatic person to slip through the cracks and have contact to only 10 people in, say, a cow county in Montana, and before you know it, the chain of contact goes into the hundreds of thousands within 2 weeks time and surely some of them will get infected and more of them will also be asymptomatic and then, two weeks later, the chain of contact which started with 11 people total four weeks before, goes into high six-digits or low seven-digits . In fact, the chain of contact is far more exponential than the infection rate itself.
     
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    WUTT?

    Take a good hard look at Spain.
     
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    Wait, wutt?

    Although none of the tit for tat between you and this other member has any place here and I would have hoped that the two of you as adults would have realized it, but instead, have gone full walmartian on us here in this thread (YES, WHAT HAS BEEN SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN, nööö), your last statement, which is a falsehood, I will now personally deal with. Because I do not abide bullshit.

    Criticizing a politician is not "angry anti American drivel". It may make you upset when someone you like gets criticized and I can certainly understand that you have intense emotions about political issues, all of which has been exacerbated by a deadly virus that has quite literally brought our world to it's knees. But I also understand that most adults learn to deal with their strong emotions instead of flailing like small children. When a kid in the 4th grade does it, we as adults chuckle, because we know that that child will grow out of this phase. But when an adult does it, as you just did, it is just plain old sad.

    So, either you can open a thread and make specific, factual examples of statements or actions that are said "angry anti American drivel" and I will gladly read (and likely laugh about) your input, but that bullshit has absolutely no place here on this thread. Here we have intelligent members from the far left, the far right, the middle and from undefined regions and I have respected everything they have said, whether I agree with the content or not, because they bring actual information to the table.

    You, however, have not. So, cut the crap.
     
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    Certainly the number of deaths are comparable. I was thinking about Italy being distinct in experiencing the worst shortage of beds and doctors to deal with this tragedy. Honestly, I haven't read much about Spain or other countries in that regard.
     
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    Spain is doing no better than Italy, but even worse. But Italy got more attention, because they were 'first' in Europe to be really hit hard. Spain followed suit, but coming in second in time, and then overtaking Italy when everyone else in Europe (and in the US) was already on notice that this wasn't going to be just an "Italian" thing, meant they didn't get as much coverage as Italy (as much of the coverage now turned to the situation in each of these countries and their own situation).
     
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    That article is a little disappointing in not distinguishing whether they're talking about chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. I read a few days ago that the latter was developed to buffer the side effects of the former (but for some reason, the former is still on the market).

    It seems like the hydroxychloroquine would be best suited to early cases with mild symptoms, not a last-ditch effort to save someone who is in severe condition. The side affects of potential for heart attack are known, and many patients in severe condition have heart disease. Anyway, I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on the internet.

    I think that Fauci said the U.S. has 4 clinical trials going on which involve hydroxychloroquine. If they can get some good for some people without killing patients with it, then it's a win. Anything that helps is.

    There are trials with other potential treatments which seem more promising without the side effects. It may come down to cost. Blood plasma transfer seems very promising but would have to be far more expensive than a prescription for an already mass-produced drug like hydroxychloroquine. We'll likely end with different treatment for rich and poor, with cheaper options having more side effects.
     
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    Ah ha. I haven't paid as much attention to hospital/doctor shortages in Spain as I have to Italy (and New York City).

    My original point was perhaps not very clear when I noted that comparing countries only by deaths per million is not terribly meaningful. We certainly can make the comparison, but the experience of those deaths can be more or less tragic relative to the country's (or city's) health care system and it's ability to absorb and manage the onslaught.

    Becoming ill and having an ICU bed and healthcare workers available to provide every patient equal care (such as in Germany) is a very different experience than becoming ill and having the system decide that you die so they can save someone "more valuable" is more tragic for a country, even if they have fewer deaths per million.

    Originally, I compared Sweden and Italy somewhat off the top of my head (could have been any two countries at that point). I don't know how those two countries compare for readiness to deal with the crisis, but that factor is impacting how each country's citizens (or individual states in the U.S.) will "feel" the pandemic.
     
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    The blood plasma treatment seems to be the most promising at the moment and I read reports that it can be used to treat those who are in serious condition and was effective after just one treatment (this could just be anecdotal). Perhaps the treatment could be just offered to those people who are in serious or critical stage? In terms of cost, I think that the cost of just caring for those in critical condition may be more than the cost of the plasma treatment itself so plasma treatment could actually cost less in the long run. Is it worth giving any treatment to those who only have a mild case of the virus?
     
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    Speaking of comparing countries there was this study

    https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-quicker-to-take-action-than-italy-spain-and-uk/53552

    The lesson from this is that QUICK ACTION saves lives when it comes to Pandemics.

    Portugal has 13k cases and just 380 deaths to date.

    Spain has 148k cases and amost 14,792 deaths to date.

    UK has 61k cases and just 7,097 deaths to date.

    Italy has 139k cases and just 17,699 deaths to date.

    FAILURE to take early ACTION in a Pandemic is CRUCIAL.
     
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    Speaking as someone who did have a mild case the risks inherent in the treatment might outweigh the benefits. It is still very early in this process and even if it ultimately proves to be the most effective the maxim of "first do no harm" applies so there is no need to expose mild cases to any potential harm IMO.
     
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    I was looking at local cases yesterday. They are saying that we essentially have 8 separate clusters going on, with most of those in nursing homes or clinical settings. The person in charge of city health said that in one nursing home, they tested all the residents in one wing, but didn't have enough tests to test everyone in that facility. I thought that was ridiculous. We've run almost 100,000 tests across the state. My city's health director needs to pick up the phone and find tests.

    And on a bit of a tangent but on local experience, the 70 spring break kids who chartered a trip to Cabo San Lucas and 28 came home with the virus turned out to be 211 spring breakers who went on the trip. (I'm guessing that over 150 were not originally put on home-quarantine when they returned, since they just found out the group was larger.) 50 of them now have the virus. That's almost 10% of Austin's total. The city health director commented on a noticeable lack of symptoms in a large percent of the college cluster, with many not even experiencing a fever. It seems there are plenty of tests for college students here.
     
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    Yes, to prevent those who have other risk factors from progressing to a level of hospital need.
     
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    OMG!

    I just did a search on "TX nursing home covid cases" and I am seeing results for East Dallas, Texas City, San Antonio and Missouri City.

    That is all in addition to what is happening in Michigan.

    This is getting serious.

    As far as the Spring Break kids go of course they are not having anything nearly as serious as what is happening to others but they are walking around spreading the virus everywhere they go.

    I haven't ever been to Austin but does it have a lot of apartment complexes like most big cities?
     
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    Safer, not safe. It is easier to trace contacts in smaller populations and the spread is slower in communities which are less dense. The largest city in cow county Montana has a total population of 110,000 and has a density of 2400 people per square mile.
     
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    Yes, on the apartments. I think 50% are renters. Austin is sort of "locked in" because it has grown into other smaller cities which used to be "way out there in the boonies". The city's high property taxation and gentrification has made rent and home ownership unaffordable for many, so they've caused urban sprawl with people fleeing to those smaller cities. That exacerbates virus spread with many people technically living outside Austin going to work in Austin and vice versa. I live in Austin but work 3 towns away. Anyway, the bedroom towns are far less dense still than Austin's official city limits. Plus, UT campus is in the heart of the city and those student make up 50,000 of the million population.

    One on the saddest virus stories I've read in Texas comes from a special needs living facility ( 446 residents and 1,727 staff) in Denton. Apparently when they discovered the first positive test, the executives in charge did not notify the workers or residents for several days. :steamed: The media seems to be burying updates on the story.

    This article is 2 weeks old:
    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/h...ties/287-fcf1f060-2138-4f18-9e5e-cab7c708d3e1
     
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    I see an update on the Denton State Supported Living Center (special needs residents)

    As of Tuesday, 93 people — 50 residents and 43 staff members — have tested positive for COVID-19. County health officials have tested more than 700 residents and staff members.

    Looks like people are questioning the Covid status of the special needs center here locally too, but officials are being tight-lipped. This in not the time to censure information from the public. We need transparency.

    "https://www.kxan.com/investigations...ered-at-austin-state-supported-living-center/

    "When KXAN asked if there had been a confirmed COVID-19 case in Austin’s facility, an HHSC spokesperson said the agency is “prohibited by law” from releasing staff and resident health information."
     

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