Trailblazing female who became infantry Marine is getting kicked out for fraternization

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  1. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Then why are women not required by federal law to sign up for selective service upon reaching the age of 18 like men are?

    Why are physical fitness standards different between males and females in military service? Why are female Marines not required to perform pull-ups on the Marine physical fitness test? Why are females aged 17-26 allotted 31 minutes to complete the 3 mile run while males in the same age category are allotted 28 minutes?

    That is not equality. Do you disagree?
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Is this a bit?
     
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    A 8 mile "ruck" ? :roflol:

    What happened to your standard 24 mile forced march ?

    When was the last 150 mile forced march in five days conducted by any U.S. army or Marine battalion or regiment ?




     
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    Make it a uniform policy, including head shaving upon signing up.
     
  5. Nightmare515

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    Deal, and when the US military kicks out roughly 75% or more of it's female troops for being physically unable to reach the standard then be sure to stand your ground.

    There is no reason to do that. Not every job in the military is the same, not even close. We have the same types of jobs in the military that civilian society has. Being a veterinarian is not the same as being in the infantry. Unifying the PT standards would eliminate the vast majority of all females from military service, a service that includes a multitude of various jobs that women are perfectly capable of performing well even without being able to do 42 pushups...

    In fact the US Army is FINALLY actually figuring that out and is in the process of introducing a new PT standard based on specific job categories rather than a broad overall test for everybody. The military isn't just a single entity, just like society isn't just a single entity. We have various jobs that require varying levels of physical fitness and mental toughness. Just like in normal society.

    However, although men and women can work side by side in the majority of civilian jobs (except for sports) there is a reason for that. The reason is because no civilian job in the United States may require you to charge an entrenched machine gun position while it being perfectly acceptable via doctrine that up to a third or half of you die doing so.

    If I can be shown a civilian job where women and men work side by side that is comparable to that ^^^^ then I will gladly listen.
     
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    The 8 mile ruck was just our company returning from the range...lol
     
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    lol ruck marches...

    My journey to the range consists of me getting into my truck with my coffee cup and driving by people road marching and parking at the base of the tower next to the "No POV's" sign. Then shooting, then reverse order to return back to my office lol.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I usually hitch a ride. I don't drive on base.
     
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    We did a flat out 20-hour march one day while training for Vietnam. Our platoon Sargent, a 6'6" redneck Korean war veteran, was in the lead and was poping a hand full of benzedrine pills every few klicks. At one point a black soldier walked up next to him and stuck his M14 between his legs and they starting fighting. Ha ha. There's nothing like the infantry.
     
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    Well, he's Army. That's why it's a Ruck, and not a Hump.

    Myself, I am one of a handful in here that actually knows what she faced. I was a Marine grunt for 10 years, and my body is still suffering for it. My back is almost constantly sore, and my knees are trashed. But I was still able to get into the Army at 42.

    And even today at 53, I have yet to find a female that can do a ruck-hump-road march and keep up with me.

    And trust me, I have tried. In 2007 when I was in training, 2008-2012 when I was active duty and we did at least 1 a month. Even in the last 6 years since I joined the Reserves and do it maybe once a year or so. I have not met a single female that can keep up with me, or even close.

    I am not any kind of Superman either. Permanent profile (light duty) for arthritis in both knees, 53 years old, heck I barely pass my height-weight standard at 23% body fat. And if in the last 12 years I have not found a single female that can keep up with me, then what percentage are out there that can reasonably be found to meet even the lowest of the standards expected of an Infantryman?

    And what matters most to me, how many do we permanently break in the attempt to find them? There was a report a few years ago about how most of the women they had tried to send to Infantry and Ranger schools ultimately were medically discharged for injuries received in training. To me, this is a disgrace and a waste. Taking an individual who could have an outstanding career, and throwing it away because they were injured trying to do something their bodies were simply not designed to handle.

    I realize most in here really have no idea what being in the Infantry is like. And they are trying to argue from some kind of fantasy that "everybody is equal". What they are oblivious to is that everybody has an equal opportunity to achieve what they wish, in line with their abilities.

    That is what the "everybody is equal" crowd always seems to miss.
     
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    Yea, which likely will never really happen. Just like all of the prior PT tests they have tried to implement over the years.

    For the last 6 years I have been in medical units. And one of the first things we started to ask about the new test is what about those who are injured? Myself, I have not run in almost 8 years because of a knee injury. Under the current system, I do a 2.5 mile walk instead of a 2 mile run.

    But under the new one, no alternate events. Period. Do it or fail. Fail, and out the Army you go.

    My unit is the Headquarters for the Medical Brigade. And the numbers just in our brigade of people who would have to get out is staggering. Command Sergeant Majors, Colonels that command field hospitals, roughly it is about 20% of the force. That is one of the reasons they new test has been put on hold yet again, I think it is now Oct 2020.

    There is a reason my MOS has changed over the decades. I did Infantry, until I could not Infantry anymore. Then I did Air Defense, until the running and jumping on and off of the equipment became to much. Now I am Signal Corps, because nothing in this job puts to much stress on my body. But a lot of people will get forced out if that is ever implemented.

    If they want a real test, they should have a 25B climb a ladder and thread Cat5 cable through another ladder, then walk across the building with a new monitor. Then puck up 10 network switches and place them into a rack at shoulder height. Because generally that is about the most physical my job is.
     
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