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  1. Dayton3

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    Remember I do not consider hypocrisy on its face to be a bad thing.

    If you're going to criticize Donald Trump stick with his policies (like allowing the deficit to grow so dramatically) rather than a variation of the "Orange man bad!" and "Jan. 6!, Jan. 6th" that you and others keep shrieking.
     
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    I'm okay with criticizing him for trying to overthrow our elections and install himself as an unelected dictator. I'm sorry you think this is bad. I think the Constitution is peachy keen, the bee's knees, the top banana, cool beans, but you are free to disagree. Remember, I don't consider ******** on the Constitution on its face to be a good thing.
     
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    You (among many) are grossly exaggerating. Even if Trump had succeeded he wouldn't be a "dictator". He still got 75 million votes in 2020
     
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    And, in summary to @yardmeat's accurate post, there would be no reason to talk about the Orange Stain if he would shut up and go away. But, he is CURRENTLY still raising hell and reeking havoc and doing his damnedest to destroy our Election Boards. Any reasonable adult of voting age in this country that cares for our country and Constitution SHOULD have some concerns about that.

    I won't bother asking you if you would have had an issue with Obama Monday morning quarterbacking Trump's presidency because I know you struggle with objectivity. NOTHING he has done, is doing or wants to do is our country's best interests. It's not up to us to help you remove those super-glued blinders.
     
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    Why would I care what the novelty president (Obama though in truth Trump could be labeled one as well) says or does?
     
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    The question I would absolutely LOVE for someone to answer is "Why is the Orange Stain being placed above our country and Constitution and why is he above our laws?" I have no doubt whatsoever that if ANY American citizen dared to do the things he's done, they would have been carted off to a rubber room or exiled.

    Why is this even a debate? The things he's done ON CAMERA is enough to charge him. He needs to be gone. He promised to leave the country if Biden won. I've offered to go help him pack. When the hell will he keep at least ONE promise? That's the one I need for him to keep.
     
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    You said it was okay to care what Carter did as a "novelty president" did 40 years ago, so why is it forbidden to care what Trump did? And I have a funny feeling that a quick forum search will show that you actually have cared about previous presidents. For some reason, you only have a problem when it is Trump, whom you claim not to care about.
     
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    How was Carter a "novelty president". Sure he was virtually unknown but he had been a governor, naval officer and businessman.

    The only really distinctive thing about Carter is that he was from the deep south. The first president from there since before the Civil War..
     
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    He got fewer votes than his opponent, and he lost the election. Yes. Having himself installed as president despite losing the election would make him an unelected dictator. I'm sorry that you thank it is an "exaggeration" to care bout the law and the Constitution.
     
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    I don't know how you could get more novelty than that, but I appreciate your confession to unjustifiable hypocrisy. Your "rules for thee but not for me" position is acknowledged . . . and predicted. If it is okay to criticize Carter over 40 years later then it is okay to criticize Trump a little over a year later. Grow up and accept it.
     
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    and accepted?
     
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    Lol.... PT Barnum was correct after all.

    If you have a few dollars to give me step right up and I'll give you all the details!
     
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    I accept that you are being hypocritical and have no basis for your objection to Trump being criticized, yes. I accept your white flag.
     
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    Damn right!

    Listen to these people. They don't know the difference between right and wrong!
    There is truly a monster lurking.

    Now they are trying to argue there is no separation of church and state.
     
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    If you can find anywhere in the Constitution where it says "separation of church and state" I will agree that there is one.
     
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    Right after you let us know where it says "A reality show host can overthrow an election, erase entire states' worth of votes, and install himself as an unelected autocrat." I promise there is more precedence for one than the other.
     
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    As I've stated previously, I'm a child abuse advocate (and survivor). One of the common threads with all types of abuse and neglect is silencing people. More often than not, the person in the position to protect the victim will side with the abuser (because the abuser doesn't need anything but silence) even in situations that involve two minor children (with one hurting the other).

    I am not claiming to be a mental health professional but that is what this reminds me of. If we simply don't talk about him, we can all pretend that he's not dangerous. We don't have to unpack his bs if we just pretend he is "in the past" (how the hell is somebody in the past that can't stop jumping in front of microphones and cameras and spouting out mini-manifestoes every couple of weeks?).

    So, it's not that they don't **know** he's toxic. It's that they need for us all to live in their alternate universe where his toxicity isn't worthy of discussion because it makes them feel better. They don't give a damn about our feelings (in this comparison, we are the victimized, helpless children). We are being made responsible for handling their sad/bad emotions because they can't do it and, in that quest, they have to (1) attack anybody that speaks about it and (2) ignore anything that refutes their alternate reality (where the rainbows, unicorns and glitter exist).

    My mother is EXACTLY like Trump. She has even been get people to physically cause harm to others with her mind games, lies and toxicity. She hates me because she can't manipulate me. The entire family has turned on me because I won't play Historical Revisionism with her. As I'm the oldest, she can't lie to me about some of our late relatives. I knew them too!!! It works on my younger siblings because they didn't. I've never seen it this strong with a complete stranger but it's the exact same MO.

    The takeaway I'd like for you to have is to know that you're standing on the right side of truth and reality. We annoy those that struggle with that. ;-)
     
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    You do know that I denounced the riots on Jan. 6th from the moment they happened don't you?
     
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    That's a shame. Most of the people here hate you for other reasons.
     
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    I'm not even talking about the riots. I'm talking about Trump's attempts to install himself as an unelected president. If you agree that it is okay to criticize him for that, then congrats, you are all caught up on why your previous responses make no sense.
     
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    So. That's happened to several presidents. (get fewer votes yet still win the election
     
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    if you get any meaningful answer to this, please keep me informed, because i can not fathom the phenomenon. i would not be tempted to buy a used trailer from an azzwhole like trump, .
     
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    Eh, first of all, no it hasn't. It happened with Bush, sure. And it happened with Trump in 2016. Those are the only examples I can think of where a presidential candidate got fewer votes than their opponent but still won. So "that's happened to several presidents" is just garbage.

    But the election we are talking about (2020) is one where he got fewer votes AND fewer EC votes. The latter being the important part here. He lost the election and tried to steal it anyway.
     
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    He WAS THAT BAD! Still is.
     
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    Benjamin Harrison over Cleveland despite getting fewer votes than him.
    John Quincy Adams being elected.

    That brings the total up to four at least. And I believe that does meet the standard of "several".
     

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