Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut

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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    OH BullShit agenda driven fake junk science. Chromosomes have meanings.

    Tell, me where are "her" breast? What about this body looks remotely "female"? Is it the square jaw? The broad shoulders? The 5 o clock shadow or the adam's apple?

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    I'm also going to say Phenotype doesn't equal genotype in a second if you want to keep taking posts out of context.

    Cool.


    And the moment I bring up science to explain why you're wrong you immediately discount it because "chromosomes". Concidentally enough;
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    And there’s more! While brief and coordinated SRY-activation initiates the process of male-sex differentiation, genes like DMRT1 and FOXL2 maintain certain sexual characteristics during adulthood. If these genes stop functioning, gonads can change and exhibit characteristics of the opposite sex. Without these players constantly active, certain components of your biological sex can change.

    There’s still more! SRY, DMRT1, and FOXL2 aren’t directly involved with other aspects of biological sex. Secondary sex characteristics—penis, vagina, appearance, behavior—arise later, from hormones, environment, experience, and genes interacting. To explore this, we move from the body to the brain, where biology becomes behavior."

    A blueprint does not make a house, and likewise a house doesn't mean that there was a blueprint. Phenotype doesn't equal genotype. Why does she need to have those things to be a woman? Are you really saying that woman need to have those things to be considered women?
     
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  3. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Science says women have a vagina, ovaries, cervix....give birth, that sort of thing.

    Not a single male has ever given birth and never will....naturally.
     
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    Science literally says the opposite. That it's way more complicated than that. And lots of guys have. It's not that unusual.
     
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    That has nothing to do with winning fights, unless you can show the means.
     
  6. FatBack

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    Oh BS and you "forgot" to answer my questions. Tell, me where are "her" breast? What about this body looks remotely "female"? Is it the square jaw? The broad shoulders? The 5 o clock shadow or the adam's apple?

    Do you even remember claiming you were a conservative the other night?

    Hopefully this illustration can clear it up. Notice the binary label on each....

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    Because it's not a guy vs. girl. It's two women fighting here.
     
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    Show us a male who has naturally given birth....our dry bones will wait..
     
  9. Kranes56

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    I do. It was hilarious. I got to show conservatives how stupid it is to play identity politics. They always do and it's kinda sad in its own right.

    And I think my source actually touches on this subject...
    "XX individuals could present with male gonads. XY individuals can have ovaries. How? Through a set of complex genetic signals that, in the course of a human’s development, begins with a small group of cells called the bipotential primordium and a gene called SRY."

    Once again, stop using bad science to justify bigotry.
     
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    Uh, science says that's not true at all. Just because you chop off your wangus doesn't mean you sprout ovaries and new DNA. They can call themselves anything they want, but you cannot change your DNA.

     
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    You are confusing ones identity with ones genetics. I will be happy to address people with the pronoun they chose and respect their identity. The difference in strength cannot be refuted; the point where we agree/disagree is allowing this unfair advantage. Its a slap in the face to all the women that trained hard only to be cheated.
     
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    Your scientific authority is South Park? Is that a joke? Jesus this is why I hate this episode so much. For all their talk of libertarian values and not harming anyone else, this here has done so much harm to the LGBT community. The episode doesn't even end up justifying the bigotry. They actually have little girls beat the big strong "woman" up in a game of DnD. And yet? So many bigoted posts that praise this scene because it confirms everything they believe.
     
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    Or I could just point out genotype isn't the same thing as phenotype. You keep relating things back to sex, like "you're not really who you say you are but I'll play along". That's what that position ends up saying. It's patronizing and demeaning.
     
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    LOL, that's almost as funny as your claim that you "are a Conservative" We are talking of humans here.

    Your claims prove one thing...mixing politics and 'science' is every bit as dangerous as mixing it with religion, actually more so.

    Get back to us when a female can insert her eggs into a male....well, rectum (where the hell else is their to insert them?) Your seahorse is a laughable fail.
     
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    My friends on the left, are any of you good with math? What are the odds that 0.03% of the population would show up as winners as they so often do with M-F athletes? Something's not right, we're not measuring the right things. What it comes down to is feelings and identity. Now what if a 300 pound man identifies as a 120 pound woman, would that fly? Weight is measurable, gender is measurable, feelings are not. And as been pointed out, how come we NEVER hear of a F-M athlete beating men? That question has been asked in this and other threads and I never see anyone respond.
     
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    Oh no you said males. I provided an example of males 'naturally' being pregnant. You assumed human to your own detriment.

    Because I'm going to undermine your idea of 'male' by pointing out you have circular logic. How do you know someone is male? Because you say they have 'male chromosomes'. How do you know those are male? Because they produce/code for masculine traits. How do you know those are masculine? Because the genes code for them. You have circular logic. All I have to do is pop that bubble by say showing something that a male seahorse can do that a male human cannot.

    For those keeping track in the spectator stands, that is two times I have cited biology to Fatback's let's call it .5. The poster was easy to refute because he didn't read what I posted but it was still a valiant effort.
     
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    So your argument is a special forces guy beat up a woman who can't fight. You do know that women across the country are complaining about this, right?
     
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    Oh I know the answer! Because it's all about power. Think about how the posters on this thread say it's all about testosterone, ignoring everything else. It has nothing to do with sex or 'strength'. It's about controlling the narrative that male=good, and female=bad. You do hear about those times when it happens. It's just not remembered because it goes counter to the needs of controlling that dialogue and power over women.
     
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    So where is the fighter assigned female at birth beating men?
     
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    I have this, does this count?

    "In 2015, Bailar became the first transgender athlete to compete on an NCAA Division 1 men's team and finished his four years at Harvard in the top 13% of the breaststroke and top 15% of butterfly. Now, Bailar is using his platform to fight against legislation that seeks to ban trans athletes from sports teams."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/schuyler-bailar-transgender-swimmer-pride/
     
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    If you say so, I would not have even known the fight took place if it were not for this forum.

    Not sure what there is to complain about, the woman agreed to the fight, if they all just said no we won't fight that person, then the organization would have to rethink their position.
     
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    No fighters?
     
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    I have class in 20 minutes and need to prepare for it. I'm sure there is at least one example of them somewhere. I think my point still stands though.
     
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    You still "forgot" to answer my questions. Tell, me where are "her" breast? What about this body looks remotely "female"? Is it the square jaw? The broad shoulders? The 5 o clock shadow or the adam's apple?

    Stop calling the fact that others wont ignore reality and play silly games as 'bigotry'.
     
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