Transgender surgery is now free for military, thanks to Biden executive order

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are making very strange remarks given you see the Bible as one book when in truth it is two books in one cover.
    The old testament is a story by the Jews.
    The New testament is the story of the Christians who are not Jews.

    You can't justify forcing the tax payers to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove his penis and turn it into a sterile vagina.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We need to get off this crazy chicken poop nonsense that various humans have various rights.
    All have the same rights as I read the constitution.
     
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    I can see this policy being abused with people signing up just to get the free surgeries and treatments. I understand that he wants to be more inclusive. I just don't know if this particular action is the right one.
     
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    All bibles, in all versions, are stories made up by humans.

    I never tried to justify forcing tax payers to fork out anything.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every book is made up by humans.

    Biden is forcing this debt be paid not by those wanting it, but just to be in the service.
     
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    Inclusive hell. IF a man has no arms or legs, will Biden pay for them to have them constructed using surgery?

    If a person wants to join the Army can they get surgery to cause them to hear?

    Can the bald get total hair transplants?

    Vladimir Biden is virtue signaling.
     
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    I wish everything was a black and white as you make it out to be. In this instance of “trans rights” I mean they shouldn’t have to be subject to harassment (ie misgendering) and should be able to use services as their outward gender.

    I would be surprised if you agree those should be their rights, and they should be everyone’s rights.
     
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    Would you mind restating your second sentence?
     
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    Sure Biden with his orders to do surgery on some particular humans, to be in the military is forcing the rest of us to pay for that service to those who are medically not qualified for service.

    What if Biden orders the Feds to buy homes if you join the military for you to own/live in as your personal home?
     
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    What if the person unable to hear wants a military career. Do you want to pay for very expensive drastic treatments?

    I wish it was as black or white as Democrats pretend it is. I do not believe Government is a right. It is imposed on all of us by laws they use guns to force it upon us with.

    Venezuela and Cuba are some of the good examples. China is another major country with an imposed Government.

    There is no need to harass any citizen. I agree that is totally wrong.

    This deal by Vladimir Biden includes others paying some humans to join a military by cutting off their penis or creating a vagina. That is nuts.
     
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    ....is the US military expecting a surge of squaddies wanting to be squadettes?
    ...will there be an overwhelming need to refurbishing the interiors of tanks in more appealing pastels and chinz?
    ...will there be a realisation that this is just a load of woke bollocks and will probably cost the military and tax payers bugger all because there won't be a queue of lads clutching their skirts, wanting their nadgers cut off and being measured for bras..its just window dressing...its a non-event...
     
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    I see what you mean now. I suspect part of the reason is declining interest in serving with the military. This might be a way of getting enlistments.

    There are many housing and loan programs available to enlisted men and women and veterans.
     
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    Plenty, if they want OUR tax dollars to foot the bill.
     
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    He's following Obama's lead, neuter our military.
     
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    Why? Because you said so? That's laughable logic and no reasoning. See, as the Pharaoh of Egypt found out, Moses's God is God. And, that's the God I worship.
     
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    Easy — logic — And I can prove it with a simple question

    What makes it so easy for you to dismiss the other thousand or so Gods and Goddesses that have historical backing?

    Because that is why it is so easy to dismiss yours.

    It is fine for you to believe in a text that was written 500 years after the death of all of the prophets — a text that was written by men, has been mistranslated and further edited by kings and religious entities. It is fine for you to believe something is original and truth despite the same exact stories being in much older religions — Greek legends, Pegan myths...

    But don’t expect to be taken seriously or your arguments to have any validity or weight when you use what basically is your opinion and express it as fact.

    Or do, people using the word of the Christian God to push their own prejudices and hate is why the religion is dissolving in the US. Might be better this way.
     
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    Fortunately, you are allowed to believe in whatever religion/deity you choose. That doesn't make your god the *right* one though. You would probably believe something different or in nothing at all depending on where you were born in the world.
     
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    Your assertions are not based on the methods to know that my God is God, by God himself. The Holy Ghost. We have the witness of many like the Bible, Book of Mormon, The Holy Ghost, The Son of God Jesus Christ and the Father. We know these witnesses to be true because of the gift and influence of the Holy Ghost. The words of the books listed are not enough. The witness and testimony by the Holy Ghost is needed and I have that testimony. The Holy Ghost has born witness to me the truth of the Bible and other Books testifying in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Other religions and unbelief's do not have this. Be gone for you have no power or influence over me :oldman:
     
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    That is an important statement you have made. I was born Jewish but received testimony from the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Son of God, redeemer of Israel. And, my first interactions with the Holy Ghost had nothing to do with the New Testament other than the thought of Jesus Christ being the Messiah. I had about 5 events that I felt and asked the Father about Jesus Christ with faith and without a double mind before listening to missionaries from various churches. I already had received my testimony about Jesus Christ. I just had to find which church not only taught the true Gospel but also had the authority to preach it, baptize and perform ordinances of the Gospel. I settled on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after many years of study and praying. I received the testimony from the Holy Ghost. This is key for me to understand your statement better than others in here. It's true that we all came from our pre-earth home in heaven to receive our physical bodies for future glory in heaven after the resurrection of our our body and spirit. We were all sent to different times and different lands as well. Most of the time and most of the locations on earth did not have the fulness of the Gospel, authority and saving ordinances. So, how is that fair that some would be in a place to hear the true gospel and most not? Today, it's easier as we have tens of thousands of missionaries and millions of members around the world for people to hear the gospel and choose for themselves to accept or reject the gospel. But, what about all those billions that never had the opportunity? The answer is that as long as they were good people and would have accepted the gospel had they had the opportunity to hear the true gospel message, they will have the opportunity in "spirit prison" as is explained in 1Peter3:18-22. Then, what is needed is for those spirits to have their ordinance work done for them vicariously on earth in our Temples. The saving ordinances are earthly ordinances and must be performed on earth. So, we do this work for them and they are brought to the Temple when we do this so they are present and still have the agency to accept or reject the work done for them. How about them apples!
     
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    According to your post, all that is needed for saving grace is being a good person. If accurate, why does anybody need religion?
     
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    So other religions are invalid because you didn’t hear voices in your head... that sounds like psychosis, not religion.

    I don’t want power or influence over you.

    You are free to choose whatever religion you want. It just doesn’t make it valid.
     
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    What did Jesus teach the spirits in prison? His religion. So, we do need to teach true doctrines and there are ordinances Jesus requires in order to get into heaven, baptism for instance. For the spirits in prison that have been disobedient after Noah to the present, don't you think they get the same opportunity? I believe Jesus actually went and organized a missionary group of angels or good spirits to teach these spirits that some were disobedient (sometimes) and those good spirits who simply didn't have the opportunity to know the Law of Christ and The New and Everlasting Covenant (of marriage). So, when I refer to religion (when I don't) I'm referring the Church that teaches the fullness of the Gospel and has the authority from Christ to perform the saving ordinances of the Gospel. Such as baptism, laying of of hands to give the gift of the Holy Ghost and so on...Jesus organized a Church body of 12 apostles and also the 70 evangelists (preachers). He did more organizing as reported by Paul in Hebrews, the two Priesthoods, Aaronic and Melchizedek. I find it distracting when people say you don't need a religion. No, you need a Church with authority.
     
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    I didn't say I heard voices. There goes your evil prejudice. Just as evil as racism. You really should hear your own words before speaking and writing them. I was shown the veil that is placed over our minds so we cannot see heaven, angels and God. I also felt the Holy Ghost telling me the truth. Something you cannot understand until you have received it. Again, I'm not talking about religion. Religion is a belief system just like Atheists do to not believe in God. The Gospel is different and so is the Church organization with authority to do the ordinance work. Whatever the other "religions" and churches receive to justify their behavior is there's alone and not the same as the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. You can keep asking the same question over and over expecting a different result. But that would be insane and a sign of psychosis.
     
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    You are free to believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it true.
     
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    Ah, but I testify it's true. And, if you don't agree in this life, you will have an opportunity in the spirit world to accept this.
     

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