Transgender versus Feminism

It seems that in Europe the gender debate is not just white men v the world, but there is a serious feminist movement that opposes recognizing trans as female.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/17/woman...nder-groups-fight-at-speakers-corner-6933812/

SO the trans beat the hell out of a 60 yo woman. Nice.

Just raising as an interesting point of interest.

 

trans exclusionary radfems are neither radical nor feminists. they equate women to walking vaginas, kinda like misogynists. feminism that ignores trans women is trash.

 

Transgender is about men going into the ladies room. That's it, that's all it is. We don't care who goes into the men's room so it doesn't matter. Since men are the only ones affected by Trans politics, that makes it a man's movement.

 

No one should be forced to accept them as female. If they wanted to be identified as male/female, why did they come up with their list of letters: LGBTQ?

 

I prefer G.C.C.
Gender Confused Community.
Just Male. Female. And GCC.
Let the Olympics have male sports. Female sports and GCC ones too.
It is obviously unfair to have an individual whose muscle development was as a male,
compete as a female.

Bravo to the sisters.

 

Don't they already have a Special Olympics?

:lol

 

Trans women are not women, they are men with a mutilated penis.

Genetics don't lie.

 

Why recognize transgenders as anything other than a disorder?

 

There's so much you don't understand. There are people born with XX chromosomes and a semi- functioning penis, with broad shoulders and deep voices. There are people born with XXY chromosomes. The realm of human diversity is so much more complex than you have a clue of.

All of the neat little categories we want to put things in are nothing but useful mental tools. They don't even approximate reality. Reality doesn't bend to human understanding. We're irrational animals that evolved to survive efficiently, and our need to understand is a glitch, it's an itch we are incapable of satisfying. It's laughable that people are so convinced that everything fits together in our collective mind, because at the end of the day we're only seeking comfort. You aren't any more correct, you're just more spiteful. The concept of gender is not more legitimate, it's just as arbitrary as the days of the week

In the face of the fact that we live in an incomprehensible and meaningless world, I'm not interested in the legitimacy of anything related to gender. I'm only interested in what brings people together so we can create some meaning and comfort while we're here.

 

But I am not a nihilist.

Your imposing nihilism on me and others drives us apart.

 

I don't care. Being too much of a coward to assert something isn't my style. I'd rather be wrong than never stand for anything. As it is, I stand for using the fact that life is meaningless to the fullest advantage of the human race.

 

Lord, preserve us from neurotic idealists!

 

All of which has nothing to do with transgenderism

 

They don't even have to mutilate their penis anymore. If they identify as a woman they are considered a woman. Don't even have to try and look like a woman.

 

But these details price your mental framework wrong. They prove that all of the ideas you compare trans people to are invalid.

 

I have no idea what you are babbling on about but still, All of this has nothing to do with transgenderism

 

I never commit the category error of comparing an idea to a person, whether or not the idea is valid.

 

Whichever side you are on, it really does have to be so freaking confusing to a little kid who is like 7 years old. The idea is that "people can be whoever they want to be and like whoever they want to like" is great and all, but I imagine it being a pretty head turning experience when you are trying to figure out your plumbing

 

You can't escape symbolic thought. Plato was wrong when it comes to how reality actually works, but his idea of the forms is pretty spot on with how we understand things- we compare everything to our mental models and that's how we make sense of the world. Things are simply imperfect representations of our mental models in our perception.

If we want to more accurately understand the world, we need to update our mental models. The mental model that all people fit into two types when those types are actually bundles of a few different characteristics (Proportions, genitalia, psyche, chromosomes) that don't necessarily always come synced up with those two types is simply wrong and we need to understand that people can vary greatly.

I have no problem accepting the idea of a woman with a penis and broad shoulders because I understand womanhood to be nothing more than a loose concept we use to try to communicate certain social characteristics- the fact that a trans woman has different physical characteristics is irrelevant to me because nothing is ever as clean cut as the concept.

 

I think you mean "mental models of our perception." But the whole sentence makes more sense inverted:

"Our mental models are simply imperfect representations of the things of our perception."

Now you are going Platonic, pretending that there is an actual world to be modeled. I happen to agree, but if you want to be fully hip and postmodern and nihilistic your going to have to deny there is an actual world. The mental models are oppressive tools of the ruling classes used to maintain their power, not an actual and honest attempt to understand the world.

Thus, the idea of gender is merely a tool of oppression and must needs be deconstructed, in order to achieve liberation.

No, the concept of male and female is biologically based. And I'll bet it is not actually irrelevant to you. It isn't irrelevant to almost all those who claim it is. No matter how much you claim a person presenting as a lesbian women but has a penis is actually a woman, no actual lesbian (i.e. penis free and attracted to women) is going to want to have sex with him, for instance.



And no heterosexual man is going to suddenly get a hard-on if a man tells him his name is Shirley.

All these young people who are seduced into trans-sexualism are going to lead very unhappy lives, I'm afraid.

 

There's no debate. Feminism is a push for women's rights and equality (now vastly overused). "Transgender" is a mental disorder where someone of one gender pretends to be another.

 

This dead horse again?

The instances of people born with sex organ/chromosome BIRTH DEFECTS is infinitesimal.

On top of that they are BIRTH DEFECTS, not a new gender.

There is no LBGTQRSTUVWXYZ There is only normal, and BIRTH DEFECTS needing treatment and correction.

Ripping the udders off a cow and gluing horns on its head and bouncy balls and a hot dog to its ass does not make it a bull.

 

Both can be true. Dialectical reasoning and all that.

postmodernism actually sucks. i mean, i love me some baudrillard for the influence he had on ocalan, but mostly it sucks.

a solid half of my internet friends are trans lesbians and their experience says otherwise. and the gender/sex binary is based off of outdated biology. a system that falls apart at the edge cases was never consistent or correct to begin with.

porn of trans women is the most popular fetish genre among men that self-identify as straight in anonymous surveys, but i'm currently too lazy and intoxicated to bother with digging up where exactly i read that considering it was months ago.

and why the christ would anyone choose to be trans if they could choose otherwise? you got one road that leads to a much higher likelihood of being raped and murdered and another path that doesn't. not too difficult a choice.

 

In the future DNA sequencing/splicing could make someone male, female, white, black or they could grow hair like a dog and legs like a chicken. They could have eyes like a hawk and run like a deer. So if you have these petty feelings because someone is a little different believe me you ain't seen nothing yet.
I'm just glad I'm old and won't have to deal with it.

 

That may be the case when using the term "womanhood" but when most people use the term women, they are communicating biological characteristics such as a vagina and the absence of a penis. Just as the term "Women" used on the bathroom door is referring to biological characteristics that render all the urinals in the mens restroom unsuited for women.