Transgender women dream of being pregnant - very soon could be reality

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Other items to cause or improve the chances of pregnancy even though they may cause issues in pregnancy have nothing to do with something that allows pregnancy but might cause issues with that pregnancy?
    It is not logical?
    I believe you mean you don’t want to address the similarities so you outright dismiss it.

    The rate of wanted abortions would be lower. I doubt many people that are paying thousands to tens of thousands to have one of these procedures is looking to have an abortion unlike the general public when they accidentally get pregnant.

    Again, the word wanted is important here. And yes, it is absolutely true. Late term abortions are typically due to birth defects or medical issues so they would likely be similar levels.

    Probably not

    I could care less. Their beliefs on based on feeling, not fact, so their religious beliefs are irrelevant to this and every issue. They are free to have whatever religious preference they wish — their opinion on what others do is irrelevant.
     
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    Not most states, some (the exact number varies site to site). And funny that, a number of them are Democrat led.... but then the ex-employee has the right to sue for wrongful termination., also.

    As to my medical issue, it is a legitimate condition, but I have no desire to force any government or private employer to make changes to suit my needs. I arrange my life to suit what is available.
     
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    Well yes, no doubt, but I wasn't talking about elective abortions with trans women, obviously we can assume they wouldn't have them.

    We are trying to compare the rate of abortions for health reasons of trans women with the rate of abortions (per pregnancy, presumably) for regular women, both elective abortions and abortions for health reasons.

    In addition to that, I also commented that even if the rate of all abortions may be lower for trans women, the rate of later-term abortions may still be higher. Since we are mainly comparing between abortions for health reasons versus elective abortions in normal women.
     
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    Which very well could lead to lower rates of abortion vs the general population as all elective abortions would belong in the second group.

    Time will have to tell as right now all we have is opinion.

    Correct, if the rate of complications are too high for this procedure than I would agree with banning them until the medical technology catches up to make it safer.
     
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    I am all for gay and transgender rights but if anyone thinks that the level of surgery it will take to actually implant a womb into a biologically male body is going to be doable is an idiot.
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    Biologically female bodies are designed to have a womb male ones or not. regardless of what gender someone I do if I was with if they are biologically male there is no room for the womb. You will not be able to implant it without damaging other organs you would also have to find a way to artificially recreate the entire birth canal.

    this room implant surgery was designed to implant a womb from one female to another it was not designed to implant a room into a biologically male transgender woman.
     
  6. Maquiscat

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    I am only going to agree with you insofar as the immediate future, that doesn't mean it can never happen. The amazing things that we can do nowadays that we couldn't even dream about a mere 100 years ago, is actually rather staggering. Even the idea of being able to do a womb implant into a woman a few decades ago was unheard of. I have no doubt that we will be able to adapt male bodies such that we can implant a womb. It's just not going to be soon.
     
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    Great I hope these people find happiness
     
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    They will push the internal organs aside. It may likely not be healthy for the biological man, and could lead to long-term consequences and possibly even be life-endangering, but some trans women will be willing to take the risks - any risks.

    I am pretty familiar with medical science, and see no fundamental underlying reason why they couldn't transplant a uterus into a biological man if they could do it into a woman. They might require a rerouting of a major artery to ensure adequate blood supply to the organ, but they could even probably salvage a spare artery from a leg or something like that. The rejection or acceptance of organs actually has nothing to do with biological gender or chromosomes of the transplanted tissue.

    Probably a really bad thing overall, and not good for the trans woman's body, but it certainly is possible. Even possible within the current realm of medical science, although that specific surgical procedure, of a uterus transplanted into a male body, has not been specifically pioneered yet. Even a regular womb transplant into another woman is still at this time a very rare thing, and I think there have only been a handful of them done.

    Now as for the birth canal, most likely these births are going to take place by C-section. However, most likely there are going to be some sex-change surgeons who are going to start pioneering that. I imagine that would be some pretty advanced and cutting edge surgery. Look at what they already do with sex change surgeries, the details of exactly what is done during the surgical procedure. If they can do all that, they likely could figure out some way of creating a functioning birth canal too. It might require some sort of elastic prosthetic implants or something, to maintain stretchiness. That part is probably 20 or 30 years away, in terms of surgical technology.
     
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    If gender isnt about what you look like or anatomy but who you are as a person why are they called transsexuals?
     
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    Transgender and transsexual are terms used to convey understanding as to the individual's status, since it differs from the statistical norm. The words have a variety of use across cultures, history and individuals. Currently the most typical is that transgender the the umbrella term to denote one's gender (self) as being different from one's sex (body at birth). For the most part, the sex is looked at per the genitals, and not the Chromosomes or Genes. Those who have a discrepancy between their genitals, chromosomes, and/or Genes are typically called intersexed, although many intersexed individuals are unaware of said discrepancy, and identify as either cisgender or transgender.

    In several transgender circles, transsexual is an indicator that one has had or will have medical intervention (as opposed to therapy) on their body to closer reflect their gender. The use can vary. Some will say as little as hormone therapy qualifies, where as other claim only full GRS counts as transsexual, with positions in between. Keep in mind that not all transgender people feel a need to get surgery to alleviate their gender dysphoria. There is also a following that claims transsexual is a derogatory term, stemming from the days when it was considered a disorders, and the terms in no way is part of the transgender community/experience.

    And just for completeness, transvestite typically refers to a person who is cisgender, but dresses in the stereotypical manner.of the opposite gender. Drag Queen is a more colloquial term, although that seems to be developing into a specific subculture within transvestite culture. Also, because of the normalization of women wearing men's clothing, transvestite women or Drag Kings are more rare. They are typically those who go to lengths to look male as opposed to simply dressing as such.
     
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    Is it possible for a woman to simply dress male?

    I think androgynous people are cisgender people but mildly dress in the stereotypical manner of the opposite gender.

    Transgender people is more of a spotaneous condition and not something people do on purpose. I dont think marilyn manson is transgender because he does it with the intent of what it represents not because of a mental condition or anything like that.
     
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    I would say it as more dress "male" to reflect the fact that when history is viewed as a whole, there is no one style of clothing that is solely male or female. A button up shirt is a button up shirt regardless of whether the buttons are on the right of left side. A woman will still look like a woman even in "men's" clothing, where as a Drag King would look male or at least more male, when in such clothing.
    Not really. Androgynous usually refers to their looks as opposed to whether or not their gender and sex match. So both a cismale and a transmale can both look androgynous. If you put someone in a loose fitting hospital gown such the genitals and breasts can't be seen and you can tell what sex they are, that's androgynous.

    I don't think there ever was a claim of Manson being transgender. At best he falls under transvestite, but not even that. He isn't trying to look like a woman per se, as much as either marketing, or just liking something that is a current social construct not typical for males. It's why it is important to distinguish between gender and gender expression. The former.is what you actually are. The later is how society expects one to show their gender.
     
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    Manhood and womanhood are such personal concepts (even in the vaguest abstract sense) that using them improperly is strange and not healthy, at best. This relates to what you said about androgynous peoples gender and sex dont match. The hospital gown analogy is different. Its not done for the sake of being strange or trying to be a different gender.
     
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    Some clothings and styles are more male or more female. Its akin to even grammatical gender has meaning. Women who try to dress like men often will speak in masculine voices. A person acting androgynous is not about looks. A hospital gown person isnt doing things with the intent or with the acceptance of trying to mix two genders in one. They dont look like they are trying to mix two genders in one. People have said that I looked like a girl when I had long hair.

    Marilyn looks like a mixture of a transvestite and a vampire. I think I used to look androgynous out of rebellion or vanity. Marilyn is androgynous because he mixes masculine and feminine features into some sort of intermediate, like I used to do with my hair. Some people look purely androgynous some people will favor one gender over the other, their gender, or not.
     
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    I did not say that androgynous people did not match in their sex and gender. An androgynous looking man would have a penis and claim to be male, even though others might not be able to determine whether they are male or female when clothed. Male and masculine are not the same thing. Androgynous is related to masculine/feminine, not male/female.
     
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    Its similar to trangender but the intent is different and it looks different. They match their sex and gender but they have mild traits of the opposite gender. They identify as masculine and feminine but express hints of the opposite.
     
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    I don't think you are comprehending exactly what is what here. Masculine and feminine are fictional social constructs on what society expects out of males and females respectively, and has changed and varied greatly across the centuries. What is considered feminine in this era, may at one point been masculine in an previous era. For example, high heels are a feminine article of clothing, but at one point in history they were a masculine article of clothing. It has nothing to do with how the physical body looks un-enhanced (sane makeup or other affectations). Androgynous look are such regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression.
     
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    They werent masculine clothing articles. The books you are reading have people omitting and misstating things. There are no female angels because angels dont reproduce. That implies male angels arent male in the sperm sense but they are masculine beings. Gender doesnt function the same way for them. But since gender is such a personal thing, even a female angel apart from the sexual reproductive aspects of it would be wierd.
     
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    Pot, kettle, achromatic.

    High heels were originally invented as men's fashion. With the exception of the skort (a recent invention), you cannot name one article of clothing that hasn't been worn by both men and women at one point or another in history. Now keep in mind that I am talking basic function and form. A button down shirt is still a button down shirt regardless of what side the buttons are on. A kilt is still a skirt, a wrap around one at that. There are always variations on cut and style, but in the end the basic form has been worn by both.
     

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