Travis McMichael says in his murder trial that he felt threatened by Ahmaud Arbery

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Because he was already ready to shoot him and was pointing a ****ing gun at him.

    Did you know that trucks are faster than feet?

    Apparently not. They were chasing him by truck. They admitted to doing so, as much as you want to play make believe that you understand their motivations better than they understand their own.

    Why hop out and chase him when they, in their own words, had him "trapped like a rat"?

    No, Arbery is running along the same path he was already running. Travis gets out and points a ****ing shotgun at his face. That is when Arbery swerves to the right, putting the truck between him and the rampaging violent criminal lunatic that is pointing a ****ing shotgun at him. Understand yet? Maybe actually watching the video and listening to the testimony would help? But I get that this is obviously too much to ask for.[/quote][/quote]
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Um, no. That "physical evidence" was just a palm print.

    The palm prints on the vehicle may have been due to Arbery intentionally coming up to Bryan and trying to intimidate him, because Arbery didn't like that Bryan was following him.

    If this is the case, it's possible this "evidence" might have been totally misinterpreted by the jury.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    And? Seems like a good idea when rampaging violent criminals are pointing guns at you.

    Then why didn't he testify that he thought so? Why did he testify that this all happened after he had trapped Arbery, who had been running away from them for several minutes while they chased him down and entrapped him, and pointed a shotgun at his face?

    I know you won't answer, so let's just be clear: I'm going to keep asking these questions until you are honest enough to answer.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so now palms and trucks aren't physical objects, and a palm print on a truck is no physical evidence of physical contact. That's the level of delusion we are dealing with.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Is that what Bryan said happened? Why did Bryan misrepresent himself to the jury? Maybe he wanted to get put in jail? I guess that explains why the McMichaels said all of the things that contradict your version of events as well.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Travis said in his testimony that he saw Arbery "get all over" Bryan's vehicle, as if he were "attacking" him or something.
    This would explain the palm prints, and also might explain why Gregory said "I wanted to let him know we weren't playing".
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Bryan testified that he 1) had tried running Arbery off the road and 2) had tried blocking off his escape. (PSSSSSST, that's not what you do when you are just following someone). And slapping someone's vehicle isn't an attack. It isn't a threat.

    Just to recap: you have tried claiming that slapping someone's truck is a threat . . . but telling someone that you are going to blow their ****ing head of isn't and pointing a ****ing shotgun at their ****ing face isn't.

    Think it over.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously, if they were actually planning to arrest or "detain" Arbery, they would have to get out of their vehicles and approach him on foot.
    This did not happen.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think this was only right outside of Bryan's own driveway.

    The vehicle may have been going at slow speed, and presumably Arbery might have come up to the driver's side window, which may have been open.

    If Bryan's truck had continued to follow him, and at the very beginning Bryan's truck had suddenly pulled out of the driveway, blocking his path in the road, Arbery would have been angry. Or maybe Arbery really was sort of "playing" with them. We don't know exactly.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it did. Travis exited his vehicle, on foot, and pointed a shotgun at his head after they had, in his own words, "trapped him like a rat."
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I think I could count the number of details you've gotten right about this case on one hand after performing manual adjustments on a running lawnmower blade.
     
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    What's the difference between detaining someone and trapping them like a rat?

    This will be cute.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Going up to a vehicle that is slowly following you, going up to the drivers side window which is rolled down. Is it that unreasonable to assume Arbery may have banged on the vehicle or banged on the glass, because he was angry or trying to play games with Bryan?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then prove me wrong here. Where is the evidence? Exactly when did Bryan try "cutting Arbery off the road"?
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    They weren't slowly following him. He was running away from them. They were chasing him. They trapped him.

    Serious question: what's more of a threat?

    1) Slapping a car that is chasing you and trying to run you off the road or . . .
    2) Trying to run someone off the road, using your vehicle to trap them like a rat, threatening to shoot them if they do not obey your commands, and pointing a shotgun at their face.

    Take your time.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Oh, no no no, you have DOZENS of questions you haven't answered from me. I'll consider answering yours as you start to answer mine. Meanwhile, can you explain why you haven't watched the video and why you haven't listened to the testimony? Can you explain why your "just following" version of events, which you completely pulled out of your ass and made up on the spot, is directly contradicted by their testimony and by the video?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wouldn't you point a shotgun at someone too, if they were running towards you and it seemed to you they might be trying to take you by surprise, and jump you?
    Travis was walking away with his back turned towards Arbery. A moment before it had seemed like Arbery was going to run in the other direction. Travis was taken by surprise.

    If Travis had not made a clear threat to Arbery, Travis would have had to shoot Arbery later with no time for any warning, if Arbery had gotten closer.

    Like I told you before, if Arbery was trying to jump Travis, Travis pointing the shotgun at Arbery saved Arbery's life, in that momentary situation.
    Travis threatened Arbery so he WOULD NOT have to shoot him.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's obvious you seem to be seeing something different in the video than I do.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    If I had been illegally chasing someone for 5 minutes, and illegally cut off their escape, then I wouldn't go on to illegally point a gun at their face for continuing on the same route that they had been legally running and that I was illegally blocking. Then again, I'm not a violent thug who would find myself in that situation to begin with.

    That's outright false. Try actually watching the video.

    Travis had been threatening Arbery for the past 5 minutes.

    Arbery was trying to ESCAPE Travis's ILLEGAL attempts to trap him like a rat. Then Travis ILLEGALLY pointing a shotgun at his face for continuing to try to flee.

    You are on the side of the violent thugs, here.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I agree. Because I have watched the video and you haven't.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was not illegal. I've already discussed this. You're just going in circles now.
    Travis's truck stopped at a time when Arbery was running away from it and escaping in the opposite direction.
    I've already discussed this with you. There's no point in repeating everything again.

    I believe your characterization of the events is overgeneralized and glosses over important details.

    Arbery turned back around and came back towards the McMichaels, after their vehicle was already stopped, after Travis had already taken a step out.
    It seems to me the guns were not pointed at Arbery because he was trying to continue on the road, but because he was getting too close to each of the McMichaels and their truck (that Arbery could have driven off in, which would have endangered Gregory who was in the back bed of the truck).
    I've already discussed this with you. There's no point in repeating everything again.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Couldn't he have continued to run back towards the direction of Bryan's car?
    I get that you are trying to argue that the presence of the McMichaels with their guns was intimidating to him (the guns were not actually pointed at him until he got much closer to each of them), but what evidence do we have that there was intimidation in the opposite direction?
    Should we just assume there was?
    I've already explained how the "roadblock" the McMichaels created doesn't seem to be entirely intentional, and it did seem to be half-hearted. It's hard to tell whether they were really threatening Arbery not to go through them, or whether they were threatening him not to go too close to them and their truck.

    Even if Travis had "planned" this as a roadblock moments before, it doesn't look like Travis actually tried to create the roadblock, in a way that was really carried through with actions.
    (the left side of the road was still open at first, before Arbery looked like he was going to go right)

    Maybe the reason why Travis moved in a position that just so happened to cut off the left side of the road for Arbery was that Arbery had intentionally tricked him to make him think that he was not going to take that path. Travis was trying to move away from Arbery, but in so doing he cut off the path that Arbery actually wanted to take on the left side of the road.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am referring to right before the first time Travis pointed a gun at him.

    Not the second time, where Arbery is killed.
     
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    No they didn't, they said they just wanted to speak to him and detain him for the police which was evidently true. Yes they were railroaded, everyone knows it.

    If that's where I'm living I'd expect the petrol to be much cheaper.
     
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    Uh no... they yelled they were going to blow his f-ing head of if he didn't stop. That's a death threat from an ex-cop that doesn't know he can't do that while chasing around somebody. Dumb and dumber confessed that Aubrey was not a threat to them when they pointed their weapon at him. That too is flat out an assault with a deadly weapon, giving Aubrey the right to defend himself. They signed their own verdict with that one. So your claim of railroading is just a 1950's opinion.

    And Aubrey was railroaded in the past, everyone knows it.
     
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