Travis McMichael says in his murder trial that he felt threatened by Ahmaud Arbery

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    They didn't see the crime, and so by law they can't randomly go detaining anybody who just happen to fit some kind of description. They aint cops.

    The case is over. You can dig that info up yourself.

    They admitted that Arbery didn't pose any threat when they pointed their guns at him. And with that they gave Arbey the right to defend himself. He did, and he got murdered defending himself. They signed their own sentence with that confession. That's besides that Arbery also had to right to defend himself against false imprisonment.

    Only in your circle of friends with a Jim Crow mentality.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Notice how the people defending Arbery's murder are the same ones who haven't familiarized themselves with even the most basic facts of the situation?
     
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    I find it not so plausible that, at this point, people are unaware of the basic facts, while they still comment on the case.
    It's far more plausible that they just play to not know, for the sake to claim the convicted murders are innocent, ergo a Jim Crow kind of mentality.
     
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    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Really what footage did you see? It is clear to all Travis approached Arbery with his gun raised and Arbey attacked him and tried to turn his gun against him.

    They had RGTS, more than sufficient in fact.

    The police would, they wouldn't but they had every reason to suspect they did.

    Eh? I know how to spell razor. The Judge and Jury were terrified of black rioting, hence why they were convicted to appeae the mob.

    No, specifically tell me to prove your point or accept that you were wrong! "Redneck"? Well I guess your prejudice is visible for all to see? You mean Travis tried to restrain a reasonably suspected burglar for the police and then shot him in self defence when the suspect attacked him and tried to turn his gun on him? Come on, admit it, you're just a racist who sympathises with Arbery because he's black and hates these poor guys because they fit into your "Good Old Boy" prejudiced stereotype.
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Raising the gun against him was a criminal use of force. And, no, there is no evidence that Arbery "tried to turn his gun against him," though that likely would be a justifiable use of force from his point.

    No, they didn't. And they had no sufficient cause at all. They were criminal aggressors.

    More fake news. There had been no "string of burglaries." Even the McMichael's admitted that they were working based on unsubstantiated rumors when it came to these fake "burglaries." They had no reasonable suspicion of any felony at all.
     
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    He didn't, what footage did you watch? They weren't aggressors, Arbery was the aggressor, attacking Travis, they just wanted to detain him for the police. There were numerous thefts in the neighbourhood and Arbery was almost certainly responsible.
     
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    They pointed a gun at him, after threatening to blow his head off. After chasing him. All illegally. That's the aggression. Arbery didn't raise a hand until he was illegally prevented from proceeding and had faced lethal threats.

    There is no evidence that Arbery was responsible for any theft. Period. But keep making **** up in order to defend murder.
     
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    Well as I said I just repeated the spelling from your post 334 (so not sure what the issue is.) For the rest? To know the judge and jury were 'terrified' as you claim you'd have to be in the room for most of the trial or else physic. Anything else is just pure conjecture of your part, conjecture that supports a narrative you obviously want to believe is true.

    For my part I'm not dealing with conjecture, the facts are they were convicted based on the evidence put before the court. And if they get off on appeal? Well those would also be the facts. Conjecture about possible motives etc doesn't change what is.

    P.S. And whats 'appeae' mean? (It's call a typo we all do them).
     
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    They didn't, Travis had the gun pointed down, they told him they just wanted to stop him to speak to him, it's not illegal to chase a suspected burglar, they thought they were in the right and arguably were. Arbery was definitely suspicious but it's him attacking Travis and trying to turn his gun on him that got himself killed.
     
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    I'd love to ask them, that would certainly be grounds for an appeal. Equally I'd love to ask the OJ jury did the fear of rioting affect them?
    Appeae is a small fragrant plant only found in Papua New Guinea.
     
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    It's already been proven in court. We all know the verdict. And so it's up to you to read up on it.
    And if you can't be bothered to read up on it, then I can't be bothered to quote it from sources I supposedly "must" have to prove it.

    It fits the description. So there is no harm. Get over it.

    You basically claim that a civilian can restrain a person who is a "suspect", and that's where you go wrong, crashing your entire train of thought.
    You're just applying a 1950's Jim Crow mentality that you can just restrain your random black person who you find suspicious.
    Kind of it.
     
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    Yes and that decision was wrong and blatantly the result of press/public/political pressure, they weren't even going to be charged until the footage was released. I have read up on it and I can find no trace whatsoever of the nonsense you're spouting. So Habeas Corpus or admit you were wrong. Redneck is a pejorative term, you despise there people because they're white, southern and working class which explains a lot about your bias against them.

    I'm right, a person does have the right to do so depending on the evidence and in this case they were absolutely justified, Arbery was no "random black person", there were good grounds for him to a suspect and you whining about Jim Crow and trying to play the victim doesn't change anything.
     
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    He pointed the shotgun at him. He admitted to doing so. It's on the video. And they had no reasonable suspicion that he was a burglar. They pointed a gun at him. They had threatened to blow his head off. They initiated force. Not even they deny this. They've admitted to it.
     
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    They weren't charged, because one of them murders used to be a local cop.
    Nepotism and racism. Rather stereotypical of the American south.

    Aha...
    https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Ahmaud+Arbery+McMichael+no+threat

    You're just lying that you read up on the case and can't find a trace.

    I don't care about your feelings.

    Nope.
    A citizen can not detain a person he suspects of something.
    They must have been present when the crime occurred, and they were not.
    There is also no excuse to not know the law.
    Not even when you're a racist redneck.
     
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    And so we got a group of rednecks who was hunting a black man for being "suspicious" and admitted he posed no threat at all...
    Yet they resorted in hunting him down, yelling death threads, and pulling their guns out on him.
    With that, they foresighted their rights of self defense.

    And all you got is this weird idea that Jim Crow laws still apply
    So sowwy it aint so.


    AHA....
    So you admit they broke the law. Well well.
    They breaking the law got somebody killed.
    So you end up with them rednecks being convicted of murder.

    That's not so hard to understand.
    Your idea to just never mind a black man getting killed to give 3 rednecks a "benefit"... that's just codeword for white privilege to get away with murder.
     
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    They had none. There's a reason why there was no arrest warrant out for Arbery.

    He was captured on CCTV . . . not committing burglary. Several other people had been caught on CCTV on the exact same property . . . which wasn't even a crime in the first place. Yet they didn't chase down any of the other people, threaten to blow their head off, and point a shotgun at their face. Hm, wonder what the difference was?

    The owner of the property TESTIFIED that this kind of behavior is common. He sees it all of the time. He never suspected Arbery of burglary.

    If he was an actual suspect in any burglaries (he wasn't, but the way, you just made that **** up), then why wasn't there a warrant?
     
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    And said crime would have to be a felony in order for them to pursue. Being caught on CCTV at a construction site just looking around has NEVER and I mean NEVER been reasonable suspicion of burglary. It isn't even a crime unless you've been trespassed. And even then it is only a misdemeanor, which would not allow for pursuit.
     
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    These goons broke the law. It was proven by evidence in a court of law to the satisfaction, beyond a reasonable doubt, of the jury.

    If you disagree, you can do one of two things:

    1. Familiarize yourself with the law and evidence, in full, by watching the trial, as many here have.

    or

    2. Continue to render an opinion based on a poor grasp of the facts and evidence, and invent some reason why the jury was wrong. Oh, I see you did that already.
     
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    I've done both and I stand by my opinion. There was invention, without misinformed public pressure they'd never even have been charged.
     
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    The only "invention" has come from those defending the murderers, who frequently get even the most basic facts of the case wrong.
     
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    Burglary is a felony and you don't actually have to steal anything, just enter as a trespasser with intent
     
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    Good thing no one is doing that huh?
     
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    There is no evidence he trespassed with intent to commit burglary. And it wasn't even criminal trespassing. Why was there no warrant for his arrest?
     
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    You have and so have others. You claimed that Travis hadn't pointed his shotgun at Arbery, but only at the ground, for example.
     
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    But they also suspected him of thefts around the neighbourhood, including a firearm. There was no arrest warrant out as he hadn't been identified. Who threatened to blow his head off? Who pointed a shotgun at his head? Who cares what the owner of the property thought, it's irrelevant.
     

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