Treatment Of Rape And Wrong Sexual Urges

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  1. ibshambat

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    From what I've heard, it appears that the biggest trauma of rape is that of disempowerment. The woman feels like her body has been taken from her. I have suggestions on how this trauma can be effectively overcome.

    One suggestion is to take martial arts. Martial arts not only teaches the person that she can defend herself; it also addresses the trauma directly. Martial arts builds a relationship of self-mastery with one's body. The person gains power over her body and thus becomes empowered over her body – even to a greater extent than she had been before the rape.

    Another suggestion is inviting God into her life. Here one is in touch with a power far greater than that of the rapist, and this power is righteous and good. God gives meaning, wisdom and a workable concept of ethics, and He is far more powerful than any man. If the trauma is that of disempowerment, then being in touch with the most powerful force in the known universe stands to go a long way toward solving that problem.

    Right now, the leading approach to helping women who have been victims of such things is teaching them self-esteem and strength in themselves. That may work for some, but in any number of cases this can be a self-defeating approach. The self is not the only, nor the best, source of strength, and a person who is strong only in herself may not be actually strong. Such a person is likely to be selfish and also not to have a broad enough perspective. Whereas if a person is strong in God, she identifies with something much greater than herself, which means that she is more likely to take risks, make sacrifices and act with genuine courage.

    For people who experience sexual urges that they do not want, I can think of two approaches. One is practiced by Buddhist monks. They meditate on decomposing corpses in order to do away with their sexuality. If they can do away with their whole sexuality that way, then people who experience pedophilic or otherwise unacceptable urges should be able to use this meditation to do away with these urges. Another is simply to hit yourself if you get urges of that kind. That should use classical Pavlovian reinforcement to de-condition the urge.

    Now certainly I would not expect government-run centers for helping women dealing with things such as rape to preach Christian religion. That would be seen as violating the separation of church and state. However both churches and martial arts outlets can do outreach to these women and get them involved in something that works in overcoming their trauma. And that should help in solving this problem.
     
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    If God is more powerful than man, why does he give men urges they can control. If God is omnipotent and stands by and does nothing it’s hard to embrace him
     
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    Ever hear of free will?

    Why can't humans look at themselves and believe they have a problem?
     
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    To quote Marvin Udall, "Sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."
     
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    The woman could also invite the Goddess into her life. She would be in touch with a power far greater than that of the rapist, a power that is also righteous and good. The Goddess also give meaning, wisdom and a workable concept of ethics, and She is far more powerful than any man.

    Wow! your lack of comprehension on what pedophilia is, is overwhelming. Very few, if any Buddhist monk enter into their service with mental or psychological problems. Even then, that may not be enough to prevent issues. Pedophilia, like kleptomania and other conditions, can manifest at a variety of intensity levels. So while some may be able to exert control over their urges, for others it is overwhelming. Your proposed method would not work on those who have severe cases of the disorder.
     
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    What would you do if you saw a woman being raped in front of you?...
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    India rape: Bystanders ignored Vishakhapatnam attack
    Tue, 24 Oct 2017 - A video of the crime, shot by an auto rickshaw driver, shows many people walking by.
     
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    I only need look at the comments the republican men have made about rape, to know the religious righteousness they profess in, is a sham.
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    In the eyes of a conservative, rape—"real" rape—is something deserving of the death penalty (or very close to it). With that being said, anything less than a stranger ambushing a woman in a dark alley and forcing his penis into her isn't really quite "rape" to the same degree. Conservatives are very reluctant to want to apply the word "rape" to other situations, because rape is extremely serious and severe and carries the worst connotations. Some people seem to want to overuse the word, or use it in more expansive contexts, but that ultimately is erosive to the weight of its meaning.

    In more ambiguous or complicated situations, why can't we just say the woman was "violated" or "taken advantage of" ?
    "sexually molested" is another one, when a penis is not involved (like what happened to Lara Logan)

    Keeping a little gun in her purse can help many former rape victims feel less vulnerable.
     
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    How about getting men to STOP RAPING WOMEN.
     
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    ExActly! If you notice the suggestions are for women. Maybe we should,focus on men so women don’t have to take martial arts, so they don’t have to invite the supernatural god Into their lives
    Good therapists are a better suggestion.
     
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    Over 90% of men never have.

    The most toxic form of toxic masculinity is when men act as enablers for those who blame all men.
     
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    Yes, the obvious end goal. Meantime, we need to remain safe.
     
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    There’s that paranoia again...Who blames ALL men?
     
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    My Dear Freind,
    Nancy Bittle of A.W.A.R.E.
    Arming Women Against Rape & Endangerment
    Teaches Women to not be victims, and a small revolver can really teach men that Rape is wrong.

    Actual case, a man tried to rape a lady, and she grabbed his junk at first as if she wanted him, then twisted it till he passed out and called Police,
    She did such a number on him that his junk was permanently ruined...

    Lol, more useless junk, it all shriveled up and got infected and later, it all fell off...
    Testicles and penis and everything...
    Lol...
    Involuntary Sex change....
     
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    could your question which was asked be in lines with, 'If God is more powerful than anything, why would he allow urges that can cause innocent persons harm'.. Could that be in the line of the question you asked?

    I completely agree.. Things that can hurt another person should not be handed over to those who will more likely use those 'things' for self and also which will hurt another.

    I completely agree. So what could some of those 'things' be?

    Strong urges.
    Strong dope/drugs.
    Strong Drink/alcohol.
    Strong beatings.
    Strong pressures.
    Strong expectations.
    Strong self identity.

    etc....

    These 'things' can lead a person into a life which is not healthy or beneficial. So how can a person get off these roadways and onto a smoother 'less urged' highway?


    There isn't too much a person can do about the 'rapes' which might be occurring 1000 miles away from them, but they might be able to do something about the rapes which might be occurring in the 10 mile radius they are within..

    Information to self and information to others. Know of anyone who has underwent rape or who might be susceptible to rape; either as victim or perpetrator?

    Until others know of the 'smoother' highways, they might remain on the 'HARD Roadways' until another informs them of the alternates in Life.




    "Love The One You're With"

    If you're down and confused
    And you don't remember who you're talkin' to
    Concentration slips away
    'Cause your baby is so far away

    Well there's a rose, in a fisted glove
    And the eagle flies with the dove
    And if (?) you can't be with the one you love (?), honey
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with

    Don't be angry, don't be sad
    Don't sit cryin' over good times you had
    There's a girl, right next to you
    And she's just waiting for something to do

    And there's a rose, in the fisted glove
    And the eagle flies with the dove
    And if you can't be with the one you love, honey
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with

    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with

    Turn your heartache right into joy
    She's a girl, and you're a boy
    So get it together, make it nice
    You ain't gonna need, any more advice

    And there's a rose, in the fisted glove
    And the eagle flies with the dove
    And if you can't be with the one you love, honey
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with
    Love the one you're with



    This person might have 'Strong needs' to have his own Wife.

    And so with all 'Strong needs', 'Ask and you shall receive'.

    Matthew 7:7-8
    "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."



    but do not think that you will receive if you ask so [they] may be consumed for your lusts.



    James 4:3
    "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts."
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that's why if those rapes are occurring 1000 miles away we shouldn't be moving those rapes to 10 miles away. (i.e. if one part of the world is a dangerous place to be for women, it won't necessarily solve the fundamental problem if we move those people three thousand miles across the world to somewhere that's considered safer)
     
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    It will to the women who come where it’s safe
     
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    There can never be a guarantee of safety in human society.

    Example: when my Grandmother was young in her 20's a drifter knocked on the door and wanted a meal etc ....
    Granny told him about chores and other work and offered him a meal and pay even a stay in a line shack, and he got nasty and pushy offering other rudeness, and Granny opened a linen drawer and pulled out a hog leg and pointed it at him, and told him to leave !
    Suddenly be changed his mind and left.

    That is how people are safe.
     
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    Oh that story means we shouldn’t bring women here to a safe place because of your grandmothers story.My grandmother had a different story. She was living in Russia under a pogram and was lucky enough to get to America where she wasn’t slaughtered later in a concentration camp
     
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    Sorry for your ignorance. Rape has nothing to do with sexual urges. it has do with child hood abuse. boys that get spanked more often are more likely to commit crimes like rape, violence acts etc. Women do the most of the spanking which is a prove fact so it's women who causes these rape. I'm not blaming them. On top of that you mention Buddhism. In Buddhism they believe all bad and good things happen to you due to karma. In Buddhism they believe a person who got raped probably has rape another person in their previous life time. A person must pay back to karma, male or female. If you don't pay it back in this life you will have to pay it back in the next. No amount of training is going to stop what is suppose to happen. Science backs what Buddhism has taught people in the past. Buddhism states your life is prearranged before you were born. This mean this person was suppose to get raped in this life.
    To be clear it isn't just about women. Boy are getting raped by female teachers.
     
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    If you weren’t serious I would think you were joking. I hope you’re sharing all this role your knowledge with the psychologists
     
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    This teaching is a way of absolving people of the responsibility for their actions and the need to do what they need to do to make the world a better place. I had some associations with Buddhism, and I ended up deciding that it was nowhere nearly as wise as it considers itself to be.
     
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    Believe me I've seen worse than this person's claims, especially on the Internet. You call me a misogynist, but people there called me a pussywhipped idiot, a male feminist and even a Lesbian woman playing at being a man. So we see extremists dominating the debate on both sides. Which leaves more moderate people like me being the monkey in the middle, getting attacked from both ends.
     
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    There must be a reason you are called all these names. I would wonder about that.
    By the way a man is called ***** whipped if he isn’t the dominant one but that is one of the most sexiest terms. What do we call a woman who is dominated by a man? We don’t call her dick whipped, we just call it normal
     
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    People need to just expect a small number of people of both genders are predators and will abuse other people until we can find ways to find these people young and fix them as far as can be done. Women rape boys and other women, men rape anything they can get if inclined and well its a deviant population of people with serious problems. Maybe we need more outlets in Japan rape rates are low but there is rape in their erotica openly and it gives people an outlet to vent these unmentionable passions maybe that's better than fighting it for now if you don't give a rapist to be a way to act on that without hurting anyone maybe they will hurt someone then to vent it? And the stigma is an issue say a young man came to you Renee and said I enjoy the fantasy of raping little girls and don't think I can control it what options are there a lot of therapy and maybe removing it or under therapy let them find ways to vent it while bending them from hurting real little girls since until they offend jail or a mental institution are not likely to be options. Its a hard problem.
     

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