Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now

The bulk of opioids come through the Mexican border. A wall will drastically cut down off-check-point crossings and free up manpower to work at checkpoints.

Just more reasons for Democrats to oppose the wall.

 

Compromise to liberals means caving. Reagan caved on illegal immigration and look what happened. What compromise has been offered by your people? Answer -- nothing or should I say Jack S***. If I am wrong point me to a link articulating Pelosi's proposed compromise.

The Government employees are in trouble, given the fact that Pelosi is senile and determined to show she has big balls. We will see what happens.

I seem to remember is was Newt G. that folded, not Clinton.

 

Stupendously brilliant point.

 

Trump didn't take healthcare from anybody.

But, Obama was happy enough to take my insurance plan and millions more away.

 

50,000+ people crossing into the US every MONTH isn't a problem for you? How about the cost to house them?

That's $7,248,800 just for a bed per day. That's not counting health care or legal fees. $7,248,800 X 365 = $2,645,812,000 per year. They are costing us half of what Trump's asking for a wall PER YEAR not including health care and legal fees.

 

"You're under arrest, Trump." The words America most wants to hear.

 

Great comment posted to this video:

Congress has the power to override a presidential veto. How long will it take for people to realize that giving Elaine Chao, McConnell's wife, the Transportation Secretary job was and is a leverage point for Trump to ensure McConnell does his bidding? By all accounts (meaning I haven't seen any reported scandals related to her tenure, unlike many of the rest of his best and brightest) she's doing the job, but does anyone actually believe he isn't threatening McConnell with her job when he goes to the hill to get his way? How else do you explain his reluctance to put any of the House bills that have passed in the 116th that match the bill the Senate unanimously passed in the 115th?​

Could this explain Turtlehead's undying loyalty to the mad tyrant? Or is it just that he is so afraid of losing the next election? I suppose it could also be a little of each.

 

Simple--bring in legislation that stops people from accessing affordable drugs outside the country, restrict the supply of doctors, and allow insurers and hospitals to fix prices. That's a great start.

It isn't against the Constitution to rip off Americans, either. See above. So what?

No, it has nothing to do with collectivizing production. Health care is delivered privately under Obamacare, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Medicare and Social Security aren't "American?"

Saul Alinsky was a failed Chicago ward radical ward pol who has been dead for nearly a half-century.

 

Trump has chipped away as best he could at supports resulting in...

Something like 20m would have lost coverage if his healthcare plan had passed the Senate.

 

Your graph suggests we have ongoing problem, not an emergency.

Your numbers don't make any sense. Besides, there's no evidence Trump's wall will significantly impact the problem because Trump hasn't told us how his wall system will work. Even Medieval types were smart enough to combine walls with other measures like moats. We could toss boiling oil over the wall, too.

 

If they are direct federal employees, yes--they will eventually be paid after the shutdown ends. If they are contractor employees, no. If somebody is civil service and has plenty of savings, they are enjoying the heck out of all of this paid vacation time.

 

In most cases, Obamacare replaced inadequate plans for low- and middle-income groups with better plans at close to the same price. Millions with preexisting conditions have been able to get insurance. It's been very costly for higher-income groups as millions of Americans are getting care who couldn't get more than emergency room treatments in the past.

 

FAKE NEWS. The bulk are smuggled through ports of entry.

This is an unwarranted personal attack. It reminds one of the unprincipled attacks by Trump.

 

The government shutdown is costing more each day, and Trump doesn't care. The shutdown is not paying the very personnel that are responsible for keeping that border safe, and Trump doesn't care. The shutdown is not paying airport security personnel or air traffic controllers, and Trump is oblivious. Democrats want to pay those already hired to keep the border safe, plus add whatever funds needed to upgrade their effectiveness--minus the wall. Democrats want technologically advanced border security instead of a 5th century, outdated, ineffective wall. I agree with the Democrats. Trump supporters are letting Trump do their thinking for them, and follow him like mindless lemmings to the cliff. There are other more important issues facing our nation & its leaders than that useless, senseless wall.

 

Not now, apparently.

 

Trump has taken zero health plans from Americans. Zero. Not a single one

Democrat "What If" sites don't change anything.

 

In millions of cases, Obama took away the healthcare plan people wanted and forced the people to take a crappier plan with higher payments and higher copay.

And Trump took zero plans from people.

 

Why? It's costing many times what the wall would cost. They are apprehending 50,000+ a month, what do you propose to do with them all?

 

According to the statistics released by Trump's own border control department, illegal access to the U.S. has declined annually since 2001, and is at its lowest point now. The "crisis" is fake news that was invented & used for political gain by Trump. His supporters never question him, or doubt his word--which he is counting on, to get his way. But Trump is a liar, and his followers sheep, unwilling or incapable of seeing the truth.

 

Democrats have made it clear in many announcements over the past month, that they favor strong border security. They've made several offers for funding to upgrade that security thru improved technology & hiring new border patrol. They've even offered to fund upgrading a wall where it already exists or where it might be needed, based on border experts' opinions from the field. But Trump rejects the argument that the border "wall" can be a technological one. He insists it must be a physical one. Democrats under Pelosi have agreed & committed to continuing negotiations regarding border security if Trump allows the government to reopen, but Trump refuses. Since the number of illegals entering the U.S. is at the lowest level for decades, there's no real reason it needs to be regarded as a "crisis" situation, other than Trump made it one by closing down the government. Trump lied about the causes of this incident, and is responsible for it. He caused it single-handedly. It's not Pelosi's job to "cave" to Trump's illicit demands. In this instance, the majority of Americans blame Trump for this mess, and most Americans want Trump to compromise. So do I.

 

Your post illustrates my point. Your side has no intention of compromise.

Trump wants money for apples and your side offers money for oranges.

I guess you can explain how a barrier is (according to your team) immoral.

 

Not in the America of the Founders. Those are all creeping Socialism. I could have done better in all those areas if your socialize government had allowed me to keep it.
Ha! Government allowing me to keep my property......what a novel concept.

 

Trump and the Republicans generally have repeatedly attacked the Affordable Care Act, and in many states, killed the funding or programs that work with it, till they've crippled it and made it far less functional, and forced millions off coverage. Those actions have made it even more clear how desperately America needs a national healthcare system in place. I hope we see that happen within a decade.

 

Obama was doing a better job of border security than Trump is. Obama simply caught them & turned them around and sent them back. Yes, some of those returnees came back again. But, who cares? Border guards were doing their jobs. That's what they were hired to do. The small number of persistent illegals crossing more than once was a small part of the whole. It's just part of the job.

I want Congress to have a long, in-depth debate on immigration, and pass a new, updated version so we can get rid of this issue as a focus of conflict between Americans. It's been put aside too long. Congress is the one responsible for fixing it.

 

Obamacare was designed to fail

Tell us how someone other than Democrats crippled it. (Hint... You can't)