Trump’s Best Shutdown Move Is to Fold Now

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  1. struth

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    They could see a doctor before. Well one you pay for the other the Govt. Medicaid doesn’t take care of your health either, it’s a tax payer based program to pay for some healthcare, if you can’t aftord your own insurance. If you make too much, you can’t get it, it’s designed to keep you poor; and dependent on govt to pay for healthcare they chose to pay, and on who decides to accept it
     
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    I don't either.

    That's why I think we need to stick to the dictionary.

    I know there is a push to change the definition of the word in question, but THAT is the "play on words" that isn't acceptable.
     
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    Wow...you go XploreR there......with little to now evidence might i add. How very Trumpian of you

    I love how those on the right refuse to understand (or admit) the levels of socialism in our society today. Short of the government owning the means of production, most of what we consider societal norms today are at their core socialist endeavors. Healthcare, auto insurance, most major utilities, ANY PROJECT THAT RECEIVES GOVERNMENT FUNDING.........

    Every socio economic system looks good on paper, but when implemented is dependent on those that make the rules that govern that system. Everyone today screaming that socialism is bad because..VENEZUELA !!!!! But they never point out, or even admit that that any system, like Venezuela, can crumble if run under a corrupt government. Russia didn't fail because it was communist. It failed because the corrupt leaders at the top did exactly whats happening in Venezuela today. And if you keep electing people like Trump, that will happen with capitalism. It's like the old adage about putting a frog in boiling water.......ever hear that one......hmmmmm
     
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    just WOW.......this is probably the most ill informed post ever.

    Medicade is designed to keep you poor ? That has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have seen on this site yet. Please explain how medicade keeps people poor.....and be specific !
     
  5. struth

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    Because when you reach a certain income you are no longer entitled to it. Just like many other welfare programs.
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    Oh, good LORD!!

    Getting on one's feet financially requires work, not disease, disability and bankruptcy.

    You couldn't have it more backwards.
     
  7. struth

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    Who wants to “get on their feet” when they’d lose their free ride on health insurance. Why not just stay at the level just below
     
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    because its a sh*tty way to live?
     
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    The "level just below" is actually an incredibly difficult place in which to try to carve out a life for oneself.

    I've never seen data to suggest people were actually harming themselves in that way.

    HOWEVER, if you think such a critical level exists (a level discouraging people from working to improve their circumstance), then you should push for Medicare for all - which would eliminate any possibility of such a strategy.
     
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    That’s actually a really good point that few acknowledge except to push agenda one way or another. There is a level you have to stay below or you suddenly become ineligible for any type of help. You can lose assistance for food, utilities, healthcare and reduced housing by making just $1 more in some places. It’s absurd.

    It needs to be a graduated system that matches so there is no incentive to do worse.

    Healthcare could be done more cost effectively and likely have better results than we currently have with a government option. Canada has a pretty good system including private health insurance and they are about to be paying less in taxes on top of it.
     
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    They only provide healthcare for you as long as you agree to stay poor, on your knees, and subservient.
     
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    Look, let's at least TRY to tell the truth.

    The truth isn't so bad that you have to attempt to block it from coming out.

    So, how about trying again with that post of yours, ok?
     
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    IOW, you can't refute it.

    Got it
     
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    "From those who have to those who don't" isn't that a paraphrase of Karl Marx? Doesn't that describe wealth distribution? So....if I was a Social Democrat, I'd like to play a little game. See, I don't have anything against wealthy people. In fact, when I was younger, I wanted to be one myself. However, I don't like lawyers. Lawyers are the cause of frivalous lawsuits. They drive up the costs of healthcare and insurance. They fight eac hother in the courtroom then go golf with each other knowing they both made out.

    Since lawyers are a minority of the populace, I say we, the majority should vote that we confiscate 80% of their property or everything they take in. In the spirit of "Social Democracy" I believe that could be done. Class warfare and the majority always wins. We'll confiscate the property of the minority every time.
     
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    OK.

    There is nothing even slightly resembling an "agreement to remain poor".

    YOU stated that exists, and it does not.
     
  16. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Suppose you could define Socialism as Democratic Socialism after it has run out of other peoples money and the producers have given up. AKA Venezuela.
     
  17. WillReadmore

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    Yes, you need to do some reading concerning the various political and economic systems.
     
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    More crazy.
     
  19. yabberefugee

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    I think you need to read and study a little more about our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
     
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    You don't think anyone is poor because of bad choices?

    That's not true.
     
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    trump did actually say those things and Trump did lose the popular vote

    I think every vote should be equal, 1 vote = 1 vote

    why should some votes be worth more then others?
     
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    An archaic system (conceived almost 2 1/2 Centuries Ago) by men who couldn't have possibly imagined the rise of a Mentally-Deficient Demagogue (like Trump).
     
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    Free healthcare insurance is a shitty way to Live?
     
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    Tolerance for what? How about my hard earned tax dollars? It costs 2.5 million a day to give the 50,000+ illegal crosser detainees a bed every night? (Health care, meals and legal representation not included)

    That just doesn't seem to be a problem for you, so again for clarity......How much extra taxes are you willing to pay to keep the status quo? 10%, 20%, 40% 0r 75%? Tell us how much or the conversation is over as you have waved the white flag of surrender.
     
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