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TRUMP’S CIA PICK IS THE GREAT FEMINIST MOMENT THE LEFT HATES

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Wehrwolfen, Mar 18, 2018.

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, we don't have to stoop.

    Beyond that, the "bully" analogy is just plain silly.

    We need someone who "kowtow"s to some form of acceptable morality.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 20, 2018
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  2. Bow To The Robots

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    Please cite the evidence to support your claim that I supported the invasion of Iraq. Then we can continue the discussion.
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 20, 2018
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  3. Bow To The Robots

    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    ‘Bully’ is the precise definition of ‘terrorist.’ The two are practically interchangeable. Flying airplanes into office buildings is an act of acceptable morality? Sounds like you think we deserved it.
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 20, 2018
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  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, it's that having someone wrong us is not an excuse for America to flush our morals down the toilet.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 20, 2018
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    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    When a person decides to kill innocent people who have not harmed him and he has never even met, that person is no longer deserving of the basic dignities of civilized society. When that person signs up to be a terrorist, they are renouncing their humanity. They become subhuman. I have no problem frying the testicles of a subhuman **** stain with a car battery if it gets us some actionable intelligence. And it has. American lives have been saved because subhuman scum have been subjected to extreme measures. So be it.

    We will obviously not agree on this subject. I'll give you the last word.
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 21, 2018
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  6. MVictorP

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    Okay - there; I was wrong. You apparently agree that invading Iraq was wrong, but you still stick to torture being good. My mistake.

    What was left to discuss?
     
    MVictorP, Mar 21, 2018
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    That may be because, unlike Haspel, you have a conscience and are able to empathize.

    But obviously that's not what's usually asked of CIA directors.
     
    MVictorP, Mar 21, 2018
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    Nonsense.
     
    garyd, Mar 21, 2018
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  9. MVictorP

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    Is it?
     
    MVictorP, Mar 21, 2018
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  10. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
     
    garyd, Mar 21, 2018
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  11. MVictorP

    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    Ah so.
     
    MVictorP, Mar 21, 2018
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  12. Bow To The Robots

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    Bow To The Robots, Mar 21, 2018
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    Terrorist are almost always suicidally outnumbered and outgunned. While they are deeply evil people calling them bullies is strange.

    The US military and FBI concluded very little was gained by the torture programs. They generated more false than real information, in large part because many tortured had no information to start with and made it up to avoid being tortured. In the process the US alienated large portions of world opinion including in Arab countries which hurt the US more than it helped them. They also disrupted US military morale (those in the military not former military members) which is particularly pertinent to the uniform opposition of the US military to it.

    All you have to do is study what happened to the French military in Algeria to understand why the use of torture to defeat terrorist is a really bad idea.
     
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    They pull out their pepper spray?
     
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    They commit violence against others (including innocents) for political purposes.
    You almost sound like their pal, making excuses for them.

    And torture is one reason Bin Laden is fish food.
     
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    Empathize? With ****ing terrorists?? Are you ****ing kidding me???
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 21, 2018
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do not see how putting up a piece of human garbage (who happens to be a woman) as the face of "feminism" qualifies as a "Great Feminist Moment"
     
    Giftedone, Mar 21, 2018
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  18. Bow To The Robots

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    Why would you call this woman who risked her life to serve your country a piece of garbage?
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 21, 2018
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    It seems to me that Republicans have been outpacing Democrats when it comes to placing women in roles of power, or at least being the first to do so. If there is a war on women Democrats are waging it...
     
    Dispondent, Mar 21, 2018
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would you commit the "non sequitur" fallacy by suggesting that just because someone risks their life to serve the country stops them from being a piece of garbage ?

    Further .. How did Gina "risk her life" and how does her violating international law, US law, the Geneva convention and committing war crimes "serve this nation" ?

    Pol Pot did all these things ... does this make him not a piece of human garbage ?
     
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  21. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I notice that your praises for the person that persevered and was integral in the killing of Osama bin Laden may be misplaced because she is the same person that you now call "A piece of Human Garbage".
    "While the film’s (Zero Dark Thirty) portrayal of Maya (Gina Haspel) of her as a life-long al-Qaeda expert is accurate, her career is revealed to feature a series of blunders and accusations of misleading Congress.
    “She dropped the ball when the CIA was given information that might very well have prevented the 9/11 attacks,” wrote Jane Mayer, author of a definitive history of the agency’s “enhanced interrogation” practices, in the New Yorker.
     
    Wehrwolfen, Mar 21, 2018
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  22. Bow To The Robots

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    A hero is not a piece of garbage. But I see you are the typical America-hating terrorist sympathizer so of course you will trash this woman and everyone who participated in these interrogations that led to intelligence that saved American lives.

    Stupid question not even worth a reply. But imagine what those misogynist pedophile-worshippers would have done to her if she had been captured.

    So I don't have to type it again:

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-the-left-hates.528747/page-7#post-1068843962

    Ha ha, nice one Mr. Non Sequitur!
     
    Bow To The Robots, Mar 21, 2018
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    I disagree with your implied assertion that the ends justify the means - including rounding up a bunch of innocent people and torturing them was justified on the basis of catching Bin Laden.

    I also disagree that your assertion that torturing people on a relatively random basis does not qualify one as being "human garbage".
     
    Giftedone, Mar 21, 2018
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    I don't think you know what a non sequitur is ? (it does not follow)

    You claimed that someone who risks their life serving the country cannot be a piece of human garbage.
    Pol Pot risked his life serving his country. By our logic it follows that he cannot be a piece of human garbage.

    Your claim that Gina was under a significant risk of capture by Jihadists while serving in a detainment center in Thailand is beyond nonsense.

    This CIA operative certainly thinks very little of Gina.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-torture-gina-haspel-0321-20180320-story.html

    This guys arguments are based on someone who had some legitimate link to Al Qaeda... and he still has heavy condemnation, what about all those who were tortured that did not - people that were innocent ?

    You can try to apologize for rounding up and torturing innocent people all you like ... this will not change my opinion that these people are human garbage.
     
    Giftedone, Mar 21, 2018
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  25. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Well, our morals are for us. It is how WE behave.

    It's not gauged by measuring what the criminal's morals might be.
     
    WillReadmore, Mar 21, 2018
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