Trump’s Money Man Just Linked Him to Tax Fraud Scheme

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    But we knew that.

    I don't see how any one can deny that Trump is a criminal.

    He committed a felony campaign finance violation with Cohen, listed as unindicted co-conspirator for which Cohen, but not Trump, was indicted whereupon in the indictment everything that Cohen did was under the exclusive direction of Donald Trump where Trump paid Stormy Daniels $130k hush money for fornicating with her just before Trump's newly wed wife gave birth (I know the birth is irrelevant, but it goes to character).

    He's listed as committing potential three crimes in the documents, case, including espionage and being investigated by the DOJ.

    His organization is being criminally investigated by NY for a tax evasion scheme, and now he's been implicated by his CFO.

    He's being investigated in GA for illegal activity relating to the 2020 campaign.

    His charity was shut down for 'illegal activity' and he was fined $2,000,000.

    He had to settle for $25,000,000 for cheating thousands out of millions in a fraudulent university scam.

    Why do you keep defending this man? Is there any policy he did that any of the others, Jeb, Rubio, etc., couldn't have done?

    Years ago, the 'P*ssy Grabbing" tape would have been enough to derail a politician's career and heck, I remember how Gary Hart's career was derailed merely for a pretty woman sitting on his lap that wasn't his wife, so how is it that that is no longer the case with the GOP?

    And now he's running again? Who in their right mind will vote for this ******?

    https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-money-man-just-linked-231806340.html

    Former Trump Organization chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg testified Tuesday that Donald Trump personally green-lighted untaxed benefits that are the center of a Manhattan criminal trial against several of the ex-president’s eponymous companies — including a gratis residence in New York City. “The rent was authorized by Donald Trump,” Weisselberg said less than two hours into his time on the stand in State Supreme Court in Manhattan. The septuagenarian, who sported a deep gray suit and pale blue tie, spoke matter of factly.

    Prosecutors allege that the Trump Organization participated in an illicit compensation scheme that illegally lined Weisselberg’s pockets to the tune of $1.7 million of untaxed income. Weisselberg in August pleaded guilty to a 15-count indictment related to these unlawful payouts and, according to Weisselberg’s plea agreement, he “must testify truthfully” if called to testify at trial.
     
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  2. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    The reason for the denial has to do with in group out group biases. Trump supporters defend him for the same reason the left rallied around Clinton in the 90’s. I can recommend some good books on social psychology if you want a deeper understanding of how tribalism blinds.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Except that Clinton didn't

    1. Fornicate with a porn star and pay he $130k hush money.
    2. Wasn't listed as co-conspirator in a felony campaign violation
    3. Did not commit Espionage: theft of national defense information documents. No, her emails are NOT of comparable magnitude.
    4. Her charity was not shut down nor was she charged a $2,000,000 fine for 'illegal activity'
    5. She did not own a business that is being investigated in a multimillion dollar tax fraud scheme in which she is implicated
    6. Did not have to settle for $25,000,000 in a class action lawsuit in which she cheated thousands out of millions in a fake U. scam
    7. Was not recorded uttering vulgarities about grabbing men by the penis because she is a 'celebrity' and can get away with it.
    8. Was not charged with discrimination against blacks by NY State.

    Do you see the difference?

    Now, the reason for supporting any candidate is the same, but what is not the same is their character and conduct.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    Pointing out the differences does nothing to address the many disturbing similarities.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I would like to add that many Republicans and Democrats have committed crimes and acted in disturbingly immoral ways. Saying one is worse than the other becomes an argument of the lesser evil. The problem with support the lesser evil is that you would be supporting evil. Not to mention that greater or lesser is a subjective term in this case.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Which are what?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your argument is vague. Vague equals weak. That falls into a category called weasel words.

    I debate specifics, such as Hillary v Trump, for example. NOT 'repubs v dems' or books on 'psychology' etc., that's a fruitless exercise, a fool's errand as it were. .

    If you have facts which prove Hillary is 'evil', then please show us. Debate facts, verifiable facts and then you can add reason and logic.
     
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    There are little to no similarities. Those are two different people at two different times.

    Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about an affair, Trump incited insurrection and stole top secret documents. !!
     
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    These guys are well coordinated through their lawyers. Allen's going to try to thread the needle and go right up to implicating Crooked Individual One without actually doing it. Allen served Trump Sr. and has lived off the Trump family for multiple decades. This is what he was paid for....insulation.
     
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    He paid $900,000 to a subordinate government employee whom he sexual assaulted and harassed.
    He plea bargained multiple felony charges and paid a $90,000 fine for perjury in a federal court.

    His wife did in HIGHLY more egregious act.

    Ahh yes their charity was, the one that was effectly shutdown when they loadt the ability to get money out of it.

    She owned one that did.

    See above.
    Her husband was the rapist and sexual assaulted and harassed she led the efforts to silence the women.

    Her husband was charged with denying a black state worker with her promotion and merit increase so he could give the job to his mistress to silence her.

    Yes Trump has never had to plea bargain a felony nor settle a sexual harassment/assualt lawsuit.
     
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    Conspiracy theory number 99999.

    Im sure yall got him this time lol.
     
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    The button is getting worn out!

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    Both sides lie, have double standards aka are hypocritical, are corrupted by in group our group bias etc. Those that can’t see the corruption within their favored in group are blinded by their loyalty, yet they can easily see the corruption of the other side. There are many posts written by conservatives that shine a light on liberal failings which liberals rationalize away and there are many posts objectively critical of conservatives that conservatives then rationalize away. To be loyal is to be blind to the stink of the in group. Republicans and Democrats are two peas in a pod as both are populated by deeply flawed and fallible humans that are easily corrupted by power.
     
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    Start a thread and ask conservatives to point out the hypocrisy of the left then open your mind and brace yourself for what they say. Conservatives that are blind to their own corruption can ask the same of the left. But that is not our nature as humans by default seek confirming evidence of our precious beliefs while quickly rejecting injurious refuting evidence.
     
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    Your are interested in the specifics while I have moved onto a more macro examination. I tell you what. I will dig up a couple videos that place a spotlight on liberal hypocrisy and post it for you. I also predict you will rationalize and minimize their impact. It is just human nature to downplay disconfirming evidence… you and I see the right do it daily and it happens every bit as much on the left as well.
     
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    :roflol:
    Nice copypasta...:smdh:
    "Hey Lookie! Clintons Bad!"...:bored:
     
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    Sounds good old fashion harassment, to me.
     
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    My interest is not in the differences but the similarities.
     
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    Where is the arrest warrant? Just arrest him already. Lead him away in cuffs. So many so-called illegal acts and no arrests.
     
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    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    I get it. You want a point by point breakdown of issues. After 24 years of debating political issues with partisans I have finally come to see the futility of it. If you are a loyal partisan, then presenting evidence that is threatening to your predetermined beliefs will almost surely be rejected. You and I easily see this here on the forums when conservatives do it. To think your side is somehow more logical and beholden to facts is simply a delusion. I am not interested in the futility of partisan hairsplitting. If you truly want to see your own tribe in a more realistic light then I can recommend some good books on social psychology. If you only want to look at where the right is wrong and deny how the left is a huge part of the problem then don’t waste your or my time by responding.
     
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    Well said. I am not a partisan and do enjoy audio books while I am driving or at the gym. Any recommendations?
     
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    Thanks for asking.

    Currently focused on social psychology or more specifically tribalism and group dynamics. I also am reading books on communication and the hurtles to a productive dialogue. Here are some books that stand out to me after reading.

    Collective Illusions
    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/58340695-collective-illusions

    How Minds Change
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...e?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=zrsKXgkNiq&rank=1

    Political Tribes
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...s?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=OzVXRmipMW&rank=1

    Biased (Have not finished this book yet)
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40407320-biased?ac=1&from_search=true&qid=Itoe3VO5lO&rank=2

    Those four books are a good examination of social psychology that have helped me to make sense of the tribalism tearing America apart and why effective conflict resolution is so damn difficult.
     
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    Gosh! since Donald Trump is according to Liberals a Mobster, why isn't he in Jail if the evidence against him is so strong. Come to think about it, why arn't Liberals cheering for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden to also be thrown in Jail for their crimes. I think the FBI should start Waterboarding Hunter Biden about who they mysterious BIG GUY! is and give up the goods on him.
     
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    I was referring to Hillary Clinton.
    Ditto above
    Evidence, please
    Evidence, please
    Evidence, please
    Evidence, please
    I'm referring to HIllary.
    I"m referring to Hillary.

    Trump settled for $25,000,000 a lawsuit for a fake university he scammed thousands out of millions.

    Hillary didn't scam thousands out of millions.

    My post IS NOT ABOUT BILL CLINTON, THIS IS ABOUT HILLARY WHO RAN AGAINST TRUMP.
     
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