Trump’s Money Man Just Linked Him to Tax Fraud Scheme

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Not Trump

    Tell me do you supply this same guilt by association to the Biden influence peddling syndicate?
     
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    The fact that he's constantly investigated does not infer guilt, it just demonstrates how biased the justice system has become. Everything else is sheer flimflam.
     
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    Clinton lied about exchanging sexual favor with a subordinate worker in exchange for special treatment, promotions and merit raises and rewards and gifts when he was being sued in a federal civil rights sexual harassment lawsuit. He did so after being specifically compelled to give such testimony to the plaintiff which would support her claims against him. He was compelled to do so by the Molinari Amendment which states that plaintiffs have a right to evidence of a superior engaging is such sexual transactions in the workplace with other subordinate employees when they are suing for sexual harassment after turning down such offers. His attorney objected to such testimony during the deposition and Judge Wright, who had taken the extraordinary step in attending the deposition for just such objections, ruled unequivocally he must give such testimony.

    And he proceeded to lie in his testimony and then when he allowed his attorney to submit the Lewinsky affidavit which he had help write when he suborned the perjury of Ms. Lewinsky. That is prima facie evidence of perjury and obstruction of justice. And of course Judge Wright held him in contempt civil and he later plea bargained the criminal charges.

    Well then you go into a federal court and do so and tell me where it gets you.

    Oh some would beg to differ with that but are you saying it is now the role of the Congress to vanquish the country of all demagogues?
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is no 'influence peddling syndicate' nor do you have any evidence.

    Biden doesn't choose his siblings.

    Trump chooses his cabinet, they are a reflection of him. Moreover, he has as many acts of corruption as that of his cabinet staff, proving that point.

    Do you see the difference?

    I suspect you do not.
     
  5. Patricio Da Silva

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    Maybe one investigation, I'll cut you some slack and extended it to two.

    But six?

    We can draw an inference when it is that many.

    Especially when a number of the investigations are based on crimes Americans witnessed in real time.

    "Based on what is known, the DOJ has a case" --- Bill Barr (paraphrased)

    His actual quotes:
    https://www.axios.com/2022/11/19/william-barr-doj-trump-indictment
    • "Given what's gone on, I think they probably have the evidence that would check the box," he said. "They have the case."
    • He said it has become "increasingly more likely" that Trump will be indicted.

    He saw what Americans saw, and drew an inference, a REASONABLE inference.

    Is it possible that Trump is innocent? It's possible, but it's reasonable to draw an inference of guilt, based on what is public information.

    In a court of law he is innocent until proven guilty, but in the court of public opinion, reasonable inferences are allowed, and made, often.

     
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    Well said. We are very much in agreement about the state of things. It's pointless to argue with partisans. You can only agree with them when talking about team other. Then you get put in a box. Then you talk with team other about the other team and you get put in a different box.
     
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    He wasn't being sued by Monica. That was consensual sex. Had nothing to do with foreign policy or the general administration of his office. That is why dems didn't convict him.

    Presidents, politicians give rewards and promotions for underlings for those they favor, all the time. You are calling her a prostitute, implying that that is all that it was about, and it doesn't seem like that , not to me, based on my observation of the entire thing and what I know, there was some sort of relationship going, though an ill advised one.

    Trump has been alleged by 25 women, is currently being sued for battery, so, are you going to levy your criticism of him, as well?

    Oh, it wasn't in office.

    No, but he still fornicated with a porn star just after his newly wed wife gave birth, paid her $130k hush money, which was campaign related and his attorney was the fall guy for it. And if once isn't enough, he did it again with a Playboy Playmate and paid her $150k hush money.

    Clinton settled the Paula Jones case for $850,000, compare that to the $25,000,000 settlement by Trump on the fake university scam.

    Clinton might be a philanderer, but when it comes to scamming people and corruption, no one beats Trump.

    I mean, if Trump doesn't bother you, why in hell would clinton bother you?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    DUH!!!!

    He was sued by a former state employee Paula Jones. It was her attorney's who were asking Clinton about other subordinate employees with whom he engaged in sexual activity and any rewards, promotions, special treatment they received in return. She had a right to that testimony under the Molinari Amendment which CLINTON SIGNED INTO LAW.

    YES she gave him sex favor, while on the job BTW, and he got her special treatment and promotions.

    They didn't vote to remove because they didn't want to remove him whether or not he sexually harassed and assaulted subordinate workers and then committed perjury and obstruction of justice and subornation of perjury in a federal court so that he could go unpunished under civil rights law.

    SEXUALLY FAVOR.............................do you know ANYTHING about sexual harassment law and creating a hostile workplace by treating employees who grant sexual favor better than those who don't? You think bosses should be able to trade promotions and raises for sex and IN THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE???? REALLY???

    And that's all.

    Non-sequitur. How much would the sexual harassment lawsuit payout need to be for it to be of concern to you since that is your measure it seems.

    Clinton was a sexual harasser using government resources and a perjurer and suborner of perjury denying a young female employee her right to her day in courts for the sexual assault and harassment he committed on her.

    I've never been a defender of Turmp's character or reputation far from have been quite clear I can't stand the guy even before he first announced. I just happen to believe we ALL deserve equal treatment under the law and due process and to not be persecuted for personal political reasons and that the resources and agencies of the United States Government should not work in cahoots with one political party to defeat the other's candidates. But that's just me I guess.
     
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    It's all over the laptop and the bank records the Senate Reps have. Biden and his family choose to sell influence to enrich themselves and that poses a national security matter. Do you see the difference?
     
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    I really don't believe their relationship was as transactional as you are characterizing it. I just don't. It was an unwise thing, and that led to complications due to his being President, and he tried to suppress it all, and hurt Monica in so doing. Clinton's a fool. but, in the annals of history, sex has rendered many a male a fool because of sex.
    I didn't vote for Clinton. To me, he was a neoliberal.

    If I were to convict a president of the united states, it has to be on matters of far greater crimes than sexual peccadilloes, which have plagued men of power for thousands of years, owing to a billion years of genetic programming. But, there are limits, Trump, for example, has been accused of sex predation by 25 women. That might do it for me.

    But, as corruption goes, Clinton's a choir boy compared to Trump, and if anyone rags on clinton and voted for Trump, they don't have a leg to stand on.

    If you didn't vote for either, then at least you are being consistent.
     
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    I didn't see any evidence that implicates Joe Biden.

    If you have it, produce it.

    As for Hunter, he's a private citizen, I could care less, unlike Jared who got $2,000,000,000 from the House of Saud as an officer of Trump's staff.

    The question is, do YOU see the difference?

    In the meantime, there is this:

    There are serious chain of custody issues with that laptop.

    No one is going to be indicted unless that is cured to a degree the prosecutor knows it will survive cross examination.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/

    What the experts found

    In their examinations, Green and Williams found evidence that people other than Hunter Biden had accessed the drive and written files to it, both before and after the initial stories in the New York Post and long after the laptop itself had been turned over to the FBI.

    Maxey had alerted The Washington Post to this issue in advance, saying that others had accessed the data to examine its contents and make copies of files. But the lack of what experts call a “clean chain of custody” undermined Green’s and Williams’s ability to determine the authenticity of most of the drive’s contents.

    “The drive is a mess,” Green said.
     
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    The laptop is real, The Big Guy is Joey, it's Hunter complaining to his sister he has to pay Joey's bills, the bank records are real, the meetings were real....
     
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    You really don't know anything about it do you? Or the laws that were involved. Part if the cover up was to cover go those PROVEN "transaction" where he had to engage the assistence of Vernon Jordan and Bill Richardson, including getting Lewinsky a better job at DoD for which she was not qualified and they tried to cover up, the gifts which he got Curried to hide from subponea and then tampered with her testimony about it. He lied about as the boss allowing Lewinsky while on the job to spend time in his Oval Office engaging in sex. And of course the fake affidavit which he suborned from Lewinsky.

    Do you believe victims of sexual harassment in the workplace should be able to sue their bosses for that harassment and should bosses have to testify truthfully in court?

    This was a FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS SEXUAL HARASSMENT LAWSUIT. Perjury, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, subornation of perjury are all HIGH CRIMES. And he then committed perjury and obstruction of justice before a FEDERAL GRAND JURY.

    And stop with the Trump had 25 allegations as if that mitigates Clintion and his multiple assaults and harassments that have been testified to IN COURT UNDER OATH. Clinton was held in contempt hy the court and plea bargained the criminal charges. As President was he not required to uphold the law and the Constitution.
     
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    So what? "Joey" is not implicated. There is no evidence. Just cheap talk.

    He complained about being required to pay money to his father. So did I, to my sister, having to pay when I stayed with my parents during college, and maybe I exaggerated how much I paid for room and board, just like Hunter did. The point is, that email proves nothing,
     
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    He had an affair with Monica and tried to help her, not an uncommon thing. Monica is NOT a prostitute.

    All of the issues regarding Bill Clinton arise out of a man's sexual desire, his inability to control his urges, the province of your typical philanderer and compounding unwise choices. Like I said, as a member of the male species I have it on good authority that a male will lie to God, Himself, let alone a grand jury, ON THE SUBJECT OF SEX. On this earth, there are greater sins for a man, like the following, when taken as a whole:

    Clinton did not:

    1. Scam thousands out of millions and have to settle for $25,000,000 for a fake university scam.
    2. Fornicate with a porn star and a playmate just after his newly wed wife gave birth and paid them $250k hush money for which his attorney took the fall.
    3. Did not campaign to defraud, as Trump did
    https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/a-campaign-to-defraud/
    4. Did not commit I. Bribery (18 U.S.C. § 201) II. Soliciting Foreign Campaign Contribution (52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30121)
    III. Coercion Of Political Activity (18 U.S.C. § 610) IV. Misappropriation Of Federal Funds (18 U.S.C. § 641)

    https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/2019/12/Ukraine-Crimes-Report-2.pdf
    5. commit espionage in the theft of national defense information documents,
    6. Didn't attempt to conspiracy subversion/sedition on a presidential election and prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim Staff Report FINAL.pdf
    7. Didn't recieve $16,000,000 for entourage and political stays at his hotels the money of which went into Trump's pocket while president.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-properties-received-taxpayers-998144
    8. Didn't hire a son-in-law on staff who profited millions from his father-in-law's connections.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/03/hou...-saudi-investment-in-jared-kushners-firm.html
    9. Didn't pay a $2,000,000 fine for embezzling charity funds and have his charity shot down for 'illegal activity'.
    https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
    10. Wasn't sued by NYState for 'discrimination'.
    https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case
    11. Didn't have an organization of corrupt officials being criminally investigated.
    https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/...o-implicates-company-in-tax-fraud-case/73413/
    12. Didn't have a eight staff members indicted and convicted, and pardoned them for keeping their mouths shut.
    13. Didn't engage in tax schemes while he ripped off his father for millions
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
    14. Didn't hire a totally corrupt cabinet staff
    https://prospect.org/mapping-corruption-interactive
     
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    ROFLMAO you are just too much... He tried to "help" her???? Really?? He was trying to get her out of the way to keep her quiet and get her to go along with his perjury and obstruction of justice so that he could lie about his willingness and actual trade special workplace favors for sex with subordinate employees which was evidence Paula Jones HAD A RIGHT TO SEEK under the federal rules of evidence. And he and Sidney Blumenthal were plotting how if she refused to commit those felonies on his behalf that they would then paint her as a stalker and that she was going after him and he rebuked her and she was lying. Let's not forget Hillary was part of the "Bimbo Squad" when he was a candidate I'm sure she was able to advise him on how to handle his sexual predicament in which he had gotten himself. So spare me Clinton the daddy figure I'm just helping out this immature young lady I took advantage of he was more than willing to throw her under the bus if he had too.

    Gee what a swell guy he is............:roflol:

    Paula Jones wasn't a prostitute, she wasn't even one of his willing to give him sex for favor girls she had the character to fight him off and refuse even when he utter his veiled threat about her job as she was trying to get out of the hotel room.

    Why do you defend Lewinsky over Jones?


    SO WHAT??? He violated the federal workplace rules having subordinate workers engage in sex with him WHILE THEY WERE WORKING plus a host of sexual harassment in the workplace rules and then walked into a federal court and then a federal grand jury and lie about it.

    He committed multiple federal felonies, high crimes and in wasn't about the sex, it was about his attempts to deny a former subordinate worker from winning her sexual assault and harassment lawsuit against him. Don't you support the federal civil rights sexual harassment in the workplace laws including the ones Clinton signed like the Molinari amendment.


    NOTHING of which you accuse Trump mitigates Clinton's sordid acts and abuse of his power in office and treatment of subordinates to him using that power.

    Clinton did what he did and it wasn't the only sordid tale every hear about Genifer Flowers? I bet you don't know what that was about either.
     
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    What do you care? You don't mind the ***** grabber/democracy seditionist, why would you care about Clinton?
     
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    Your question has an assumed, and/or false premise, that Joe Biden is party to influence peddling.

    Moreover, on the issue of association:

    We don't choose our sons and daughters.

    We do choose our staff and cabinet members.

    apparently, that distinction eludes you.
     
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    So what if he approved getting the dude an apartment, it's the CFO's duty to report it to the IRS, it's personal compensation that can be expensed and depreciate it. They own it, he uses it, it literally happens all day every day in the corporate world and exactly why he PERSONALLY was indicted.
     
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    Not assumed read the emails.

    We can choose our relations both business and personal with our sons and daughters.

    Again you engage in an orgy of guilt by association when it comes to Trump but totally innoculate Biden WITH HIS OWN FAMILY.
     
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    You argument, 'guilt by association', to be logical, must compare apples to apples.

    Biden and family, whose siblings he did not choose, simply cannot be compared to Trump and associations, who are associates by choice.

    Beau Biden was a Hero, but you won't associate Joe with him? Both Ivanka and Jared profited millions while on staff as senior advisors in the White House.

    When there are so many criminals convicted in trump's entourage, not to mention he was listed as unindicted co-conspirator in a felony campaign violation, and currently being once again investigated for it, sued for racial discrimination, his charity forced to shut down because he embezzled funds from it, not to mention he is the subject of some 6 criminal investigations currently, it is not an unreasonable stretch to conclude that he, too, might be a criminal.

    What do you have on Hunter? Merely a black sheep in otherwise very good family. One cannot compare the two. The emails do not prove any untoward activity by Joe Biden. Talk is cheap. Talk isn't proof. Basis for inquiry, perhaps, but not proof.

    And though you use the phrase, 'orgy of guilt' in regard to Trump apparently as sarcasm, it is, in fact, an accurate characterization.
     
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    He can choose his relationship both personal and financial and who are the associates who were funding the Biden family, our worst enemies.

    What is the premise of that question. Beau Biden was no more a hero than the millions who serve in the military and he did NOT die in Iraq.


    In their previous long established successful businesses and not from our worst enemies and were not funneling money to the President our of any such money or diamonds.

    As I said guilt by association, well you can't get more associated than your own brother and your own son with whom you shared joint bank account and credit card accounts with co-mingled funds. Trump has been thoroughly investigate time for Biden to be thoroughly investigated along with his son and brother.

    Plenty he was the money man for the Biden influence peddling schemes. He IS a national security risk because of what our foreign enemies may have on him along with his father. They don't pay out tens of millions not expecting something in return.

    How long have you been declaring him guilty without evidence to support it?
     
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    You'd have a point if he were party to his son's business, but since he's not, your point is moot.
    Whatever. He did leave the earth with courage, it's not easy to face death.

    But, no matter, Your original premise is false, anyway.
    MBS is a psychopathic murderer, and Jared took $2,000,000,000 from him while a senior staff member, the contact of whom he acquired from his father in law.

    But you don't give a damn.
    I'm seeing banal transactions, they prove nothing.
    Hunter has openly admitted he profited from the Family name, but there is no evidence you've presented thus far which proves Joe is party to his businesses.
    That you believe it proves you do not understand what evidence is. Is it the basis for further inquiry? Sure, but it's not proof, by itself. It's no where near proof.
    How long? Never.
    note that my accusations are based on available evidence, and based on available evidence, constitution a reasonable opinion.

    1. Scammed thousands out of millions and have to settle for $25,000,000 for a fake university scam.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...illion-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit
    2. Fornicated with a porn star and a playmate just after his newly wed wife gave birth and paid them $250k hush money for which his attorney took the fall. Confirmed.
    3. Campaigned to defraud
    https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/a-campaign-to-defraud/
    4. Committed the following crimes: Bribery (18 U.S.C. § 201) II. Soliciting Foreign Campaign Contribution (52 U.S.C. §§ 30109, 30121)
    III. Coercion Of Political Activity (18 U.S.C. § 610) IV. Misappropriation Of Federal Funds (18 U.S.C. § 641)
    https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/legacy/2019/12/Ukraine-Crimes-Report-2.pdf
    5. Committed 18 U.S. Code § 793 espionage in the theft of national defense information documents. Confirmed Photos of documents FBI uploaded to the internet. Testimony given that he directed the move. https://thehill.com/regulation/nati...directed-moving-of-mar-a-lago-records-report/
    6. Committed conspiracy subversion/sedition on a presidential election and prevent the peaceful transfer of power.
    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim Staff Report FINAL.pdf

    7. Committed corruption in his receipt of over $16,000,000 for entourage and political stays at his hotels the money of which went into Trump's pocket while president.
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-properties-received-taxpayers-998144
    8. Committed corruption and nepotism by appointing his son-in-law to a senior staff position who profited millions (recieved $2,000,000,000 from the House of Saud) from his father-in-law's connections.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/03/hou...-saudi-investment-in-jared-kushners-firm.html
    9. Paid a $2,000,000 fine for embezzling charity funds and have his charity shot down for 'illegal activity'.
    https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/201...ed-2-million-illegally-using-trump-foundation
    10. Was sued by NY State for 'discrimination'. (documented, just do a search)
    11. All his 'very best people' are an organization of corrupt officials being criminally investigated.
    https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/...o-implicates-company-in-tax-fraud-case/73413/
    12. Has eight staff members indicted and convicted, and he corruptly pardoned them for keeping their mouths shut. Documentation provided on request.
    13. Engaged in tax schemes while he ripped off his father for millions
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html
    14. Appointed a totally corrupt cabinet staff
    https://prospect.org/mapping-corruption-interactive
     
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    Trump, Trump, Trump…… Wasn’t he voted out. Your giving him more publicity that the people that support him.
     
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    Except the evidence shows otherwise as much as desperately attempt your simple dismissals of it.

    And Biden continues to lie about it

    Your statement is false and you have presented nothing to refute the facts.

    Nothing about anyone else mitigates what the Biden influence peddling syndicate was doing or place The Big Guy above the law.
     

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