Trump Admin Inflated Iran Intel, U.S. Officials Say

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  1. EarthSky

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    I bet Bolton doesn't even bother to brief Trump on his plans for Iran. Nor would Trump understand or be interested if Bolton did brief him.

    The orange dufass reads about it in the press or on twitter like everyone else...
     
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    That's what all the experts and war mongers were saying about Iraq.....
     
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    The "deal" allowed Iran to get nukes and our last president was a complete idiot to make it. Thank God we now have a president with a brain.
     
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    The deal gave Iran nukes.
     
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    It's what I said about Iraq at the time. I always thought nation building was mission impossible in that part of the world.
     
  6. EarthSky

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    Where are these nukes the deal allowed Iran to get?

    All credible investigation agencies said Iran was in full complience with the deal.
     
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    It was never about nation building. It was about nation destroying.
     
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    Yes in full compliance with the deal that ultimately allows them to get nukes. Obama himself admitted that and hung his hopes on the premise of maybe something would change by then and they wouldn't want nukes.
     
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    We should have stopped at nation destroying.
     
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    It is beginning to feel like the lead up to the Iraq war....I guess Donnie feels he needs to start a war to win re-election.


    Too bad the draft isn't around to nab Junior and Eric.....of course I bet bone spurs run in the family.
     
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    Your faith in the government is touching.

    I'm obviously an American. But I do worry about the people of Iran. They don't deserve to be slaughtered by the liars and psychos in the Trump administration.
     
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    No, it didn't. You need to take a break from watching Fox News. Too much exposure has been known to have a deleterious effect on neurological functions.
     
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    The Deal if we are going to use the correct word was a Treaty. It was about keeping Iran from building nukes. Even Mattis who said he had read it several times said it was an effective Treaty and one which Iran was keeping.

    Whatever little excuses you may give yourself for breaking International Agreements and following that up by intending on creating war and mass murdering the people of Iran, the world does not see it as that. This was a UN Treaty. Though the US may not yet have recognised the consequences of what it has done, this following its previous actions, but this on its own would have been enough, has made the US a country which no country can trust to keep its word. At the moment it is using its place as the World's Reserve Currency to harm those who are trying to keep this International Treaty. It ought to be obvious that the US is now seen as an International Pariah and when the world can secure a way to remove its power re the reserve currency this will be done. Trusting the US, believing the US will keep its word under any President is a thing of the past and will take time and a massive change in the attitude of the US for that to change.
     
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    Plenty of American people are fighting back against the American Government. The US has never been short of people with conscience and people willing and able to investigate despite the actions which the US has taken against Investigative Journalism. I am particularly impressed by those stopping the US acting illegally in respect of the Venezuelan Embassy stopping the US from committing another International Crime there, one which many people have pointed out could put US Embassies throughout the world at risk.
     
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    Do you think it would have been sufficient to kill Saddam and get out of there? If we attack a nation, we are likely to do considerable damage to the infrastructure. Pottery Barn rules, remember? We break it, we own it. If we DON'T nation build, what sort of nation do you think would rise from the ashes? Pro-American?
     
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    Sadly this is what I keep hearing people say. Trump needs a war to get re-elected. The only President who did not have a war, Carter, did not get re-elected.
     
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    Oh, just like North Korea. That went well.
     
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    Oh please, that was a publicity stunt of Trump - though one which many people respected as it pulled back from a seeming move to war.

    The GCPA however was an International Treaty through the UN born of years of work signed by the US, UK, France, Germany, Russia and China. This was not publicity stunt and as I said earlier even Mattis agreed it was effective and Iran was keeping to it. For your country to sign an International Treaty after years of International negotiations, then renege on it when everyone else is keeping it, then try to harm everyone for keeping it, depicts a rogue state of the lowest order.
     
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    A vestigial brain, but no conscience, no honor.
     
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    Obamas bad deal essentially kicks the can down the road for future presidents to deal with and he admits it. He based this deal on delay not stop with the hope that something will change by the time Iran has the full technology and capability to make a bomb which this deal let's them do on a timeframe.

    "And then in years 13 and 14, it is possible that those breakout times would have been much shorter, but at that point we have much better ideas about what it is that their program involves. We have much more insight into their capabilities. And the option of a future president to take action if in fact they try to obtain a nuclear weapon is undiminished."

    "And at that, at the end of that period, maybe they've changed, maybe they haven't. If they haven't changed, we still have the options available to me — or available to a future president that I have available to me right now."

    https://www.npr.org/2015/04/07/3979...bamas-full-npr-interview-on-iran-nuclear-deal
     
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    The bad deal Obama made was never ratified by Congress so it never was an official American policy and yes it was a deal not a treaty. A treaty has to be ratified by Congress whereas this was an executive agreement imposed unilaterally by Obama and therefore can be rescinded unilaterally by Trump.
     
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    Where in the deal did it allow Iran to get nukes. Strange that before the deal, Israel, backed up by the US stated that Iran was 6 months away from getting nukes
     
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    See post #95 for answer to your question.
    As for your 6 month assertion that was what led to this cowardly deal of Obama's. He was faced with two options. Do something militarily to stop Iran's nuke development or make a deal by paying Iran 1.7 billion to delay their program which kicked the can down the road for a future president to handle. He chose door number two. Now we have a future president who is handling Obama's can kicking legacy and he's dealing with an enriched and emboldened Iran.
     
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    It is rather insane. Twenty-one trillion in debt and we're in every cluster f*** going on around the world. Beware of the military industrial complex says President Eisenhower. He is turning over in his grave I'm sure.
     
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    Don't forget his son-in-law, anti-Christ wanna be Kushner whispering in his ear.
     

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