Trump Admin Inflated Iran Intel, U.S. Officials Say

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  1. Pipette8

    Pipette8 Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Like the Iranian leader said, 'mischief from the Israelis'. I could believe that.
    Many of those liberals on the left are Zionists.
     
  2. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    No, your post does not answer the question. Where in this deal did it allow Iran to get nukes?
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2165388-iran-deal-text.html

    And you've also missed the point of the 6 month statement. How long ago was the deal signed and what date is 6 months after this deal agreement?
     
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    There are religious nuts everywhere on both sides. The 'chosen ones' in Israel, the Evangelicals waiting for the tribulation, the Muslims. One thing they all have in common is their God. I think I'll convert to Buddhism.
    Iran is not going to nuke anyone. The US would wipe the country off the map.
     
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    Can't really debate someone with such poor reading comprehension skills and lack of cognitive ability. Have a nice day.:)
     
  5. Josephwalker

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    The mullahs that actually run Iran don't care if we wipe them off the map of it ushers forth the new Islamic world their extreme version of Islam predicts. In fact they would gladly cause this nuclear holocaust to hasten the arrival of the Islamic revolution.
     
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    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    So you're running away from your claims
     
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    Hey look, another unsourced story making allegations.
     
  8. Josephwalker

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    I spelled them out and sited them but you were incapable of comprehending the information. I'm truly sorry but I can't waste my time with the likes of you. I'm here to debate not babysit.
     
  9. truth and justice

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    What, you mean where you dishonestly left this caveat out: "that if they decided to break the deal...." that came before your copy and paste. So I ask you again, where in this deal did it allow Iran to get nukes?
     
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    This is based on what?
     
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    What the hell, I've a few extra minutes on my lunch break to waste. I'll ask you to figure this out for yourself. Where in this deal does it stop Iran from getting nukes? This is exactly the road we went down with NK allowing them to keep and build technology for " nuclear power only". Just as in those broken deals we gave money and dropped sanctions in exchange for inspections and reductions of certain nuclear technology. The deal with Iran is a carbon copy of the road we have already been down with NK and the destination will be the same. Obama himself admits it's only good until Iran decided to break it and the are other president will have to pick up the pieces. A real deal that actually stopped Iran from getting the bomb would have Iran surrender all its nuclear technology and abandon all nuclear research and there would be real inspections to make sure they did instead of these certain sites off limits and 72 hour warnings of inspections at other sites but it gets even worse.

    "If inspectors have concerns that Iran is developing its nuclear capabilities at any of the non-official nuclear sites, they are allowed to request access "for the sole reason to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear materials and activities or activities inconsistent with" the agreement. They must also inform Iran of the basis for their concerns.

    Iran, in response, can propose alternatives to inspection that might satisfy the IAEA's concerns, the deal says. But if they can't come to an agreement to satisfy the inspectors within 14 days of the original request for access, the issue goes to a joint commission that consists of representatives from the P5+1 powers (the U.S., China, Russia, France, the United Kingdom and Germany), Iran, and the European High Representative for Foreign Affairs. They have another seven days to reach an agreement that must be supported at least five of the eight members. If they decide inspectors should get access, Iran has three days to provide it. "

    "That means a total of 24 days could elapse between the time inspectors first request access to a suspicious site and the time they are allowed entry. The deal does not explicitly state what would happen if the Joint Committee deadlocks, four to four."
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-inspectors-access-any-site-iran-true/

    It gets even worse yet if you can believe it and as you can see the inspections this sham agreement rely on are a joke and just as in NK Iran is nuking up as we speak.

    "Recent disclosures by Iran indicate that the recently inked nuclear accord includes a series of side deals on critical inspections regimes that are neither public nor subject to review by the United States.

    Reza Najafi, Iran’s ambassador and permanent envoy to the IAEA, stated over the weekend that no country is permitted to know the details of future inspections conducted by the IAEA. In addition, no U.S. inspectors will be permitted to enter Iran’s nuclear sites."
    https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...-from-knowing-details-of-iran-nuke-agreement/
     
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    "Two of the most dangerous apocalyptic Muslim groups−that strongly believe in establishment of a global Islamic state and believe in annihilation of non-Muslim nations−are the Islamic State and the leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    They both share the same fatal ideology and mission with some minor differences. They believe that this is the end of the times for non-Muslims, and that they should prepare the world for the coming of the Imam Mahdi (also known as Muhammad al Mahdi) who would establish Islamic rule around the world and clean up the planet from those who do not practice Islam.

    Apocalyptic Muslims have long believed that the appearance of Mahdi would coincide with a civil war in the lands of sham [Syria], which will destroy the country. In addition, Iraq will be in engulfed with domestic militia wars. They also believe that other non-Muslims will become vulnerable to Muslims and Islamic rulers.

    The Shiite clerics of Iran believe that Mahdi is the child of Muhammad, the “hidden Imam” and the twelfth Imam. They argue that Muhammad al Mahdi was born thousands of years ago and disappeared to reappear later when certain signs emerge. On the other hand, the apocalyptic Muslim leaders of the Islamic State believe that Mahdi has not yet been born but this is the time that he will appear in the world.

    More importantly, anyone who rules the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic State (currently Khamenei and Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi) considers himself as the only true representative of Imam Mahdi on earth, as long as the Mahdi remains hidden. That is why Iran’s Supreme Leader, calls himself “Imam” of the “ummah” (the people), instead of calling himself the president or ruler of “Iran.” His predecessor, Rooh Allah Khomeini, did the same thing when he established the Islamic Republic.

    Both sides take these critical beliefs and “divine guidance” from Muhammad’s statements that “at the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great … his name will be my name, and his father’s name my father’s name … Even if the entire duration of the world’s existence has already been exhausted and only one day is left before Doomsday, Allah will expand that day to such length of time as to accommodate the kingdom of a person from my Ahlul-Bayt [family of Muhammad] who will be called by my name. …”

    In addition, Iran’s Supreme Leader strongly believes in the prophetic statement of Ja'far al-Sadiq, the sixth Imam of the Shiites. "

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261559/end-world-muhammad-mahdi-coming-dr-majid-rafizadeh
     
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    When have North Korea allowed any inspections of their nuclear sites or have 24 7 monitoring of their nuclear facilities? You are clueless
     
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    And what course of actions has Iran done that can be labelled as attempting to establish a global Islamic state?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Judgment

    That story is an Abrahamic story / shared in one form or an other by Jews, Christians and Muslims.
    So what?

    And how is that like, bad?
     
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    The only reason for any attack on Iran is that they do not have a Rothschlld money system. They were on the list for a long time.
    Why doesn't US simply mind its own business?
    Further - the thing about them building an A-bomb it pure propaganda - appealing to feelings rather than intelligent reasoning.
    Can you just see little old Iran conquering the world?
     
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    The reason for the US Christian Right and Israel not wanting Iran to have nukes is because it would change the power dynamics in the region. If Iran had nukes, Israel would not be able to act as she does today, taking the land and resources of not just the Palestinians but other countries - like the Golan taking Syria's water something which will be becoming more and more of an issue with estimates that by 2025 two thirds of the world will be suffering water shortage, some in desperate straights.

    This is about Israel taking its position as Imperialist Power in the ME as well as the Saud's intent to be the ruler of Muslims - the thought of Wahhabism being in this position would have been laughable were it not for its symbiotic relationship with the US.

    The Saud's, UAE, Bahrain I would think too, want Iran destroyed as Iran being also a theocratic State could be the leader of Muslims and that is what they want with Islam transformed to Salafi/Wahhabism. Israel were of course helping such fighting in Syria helping the Saud's in their attempt at regime change there.

    So you have symbiotic relations going on all over the place in this region. The US/Sauds keeping the US as the World Reserve Currency and unfortunately as it has become towards the end of its Imperialist Reign, World Bully. You have the Saud's/Israel in a symbiotic relationship against Iran and you have the Zionists both Jewish and American Christian, both Bolton and Pompeo being such and their symbiotic relationship.

    Iran has tried many times to open up a peaceful relationship with the US but the US has refused this. This is usually put down to the US remaining miffed at Iran for throwing out their puppet but given the timing of this it is not impossible that for the entire time this has been to do with the US Christian Zionists desires on Israel as of course this was from when they began to have a strong influence in the US Government with Regan.

    Last night I heard people suggest that it could even be about more than Israel becoming the undisputed Imperial Power in the ME but could be the beginning of her becoming the dominant Imperial Power in the World. I am not saying I believe that. It was the first time I heard it but it is worth a bit of thought.

    So as Iran's foreign Minister Zarif said, it is the 4 B's who are wanting to destroy Iran
    Bolton,
    Bibi,
    Bin Salman
    and bin Zayed Al Nahyan.

    I do not know about you but I would not like the future they would create.
     
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    I just showed you the inspections are a sham.
     
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    Conquer Israel is the objective and if they get nukes they will use them to do so.
     
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    You still haven't answered the question to your false claim : "When have North Korea allowed any inspections of their nuclear sites or have 24 7 monitoring of their nuclear facilities?"

    Or are you saying that cctv is not monitoring any nuclear sites and no inspectors have visited any nuclear sites meaning that all the inspectors are lying?
     
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    I've given you multiple sites exposing the deficiency of the sham inspections that are as impotent as previous NK inspections and will lead to Iran getting nukes just as NK did. Obamas deal in Iran is virtually a carbon copy of Clinton's deal with NK.

    " Regular inspections focus on sites which an NPT signatory declares are nuclear facilities. The 1AEA also has the' right under the treaty to demand special inspections of undeclared sites which it suspects may be nuclear facilities. "

    https://www.heritage.org/report/the...yongyang-road-map-progress-or-dead-end-street

    "Back in 1994, President Clinton prepared to confront North Korea over CIA reports it had built nuclear warheads and its subsequent threats to engulf Japan and South Korea in “a sea of fire.”

    Enter self-appointed peacemaker Carter: The ex-prez scurried off to Pyongyang and negotiated a sellout deal that gave North Korea two new reactors and $5 billion in aid in return for a promise to quit seeking nukes.

    Clinton embraced this appeasement as achieving “an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula” — with compliance verified by international inspectors. Carter wound up winning the Nobel Peace Prize for his dubious efforts.

    https://nypost.com/2016/01/06/you-can-thank-jimmy-carter-and-bill-clinton-for-north-koreas-nukes/
     
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    "When have North Korea allowed any inspections of their nuclear sites or have 24 7 monitoring of their nuclear facilities?"

    Direct from your link:
    "but for nearly a decade refused to allow the IAEA inspections required by the pact."

    Why did you bolden the phrase "compliance verified by international inspectors" when your link states that NK clearly did NOT comply?

    Iran allows unannounced inspections by UN inspectors of all their nuclear sites, has 24/7 cctv monitoring of all their centrifuges.

    So four years after the deal, Iran does not have nuclear weapons yet Iran were within 6 months of getting nukes before the deal was agreed, or so said Israel, the habitual war mongering liars, who had been saying the same thing for decades in order to persuade the US to destroy Iran.
     
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    Question is why are you attempting deception by mixing the NPT agreement of 1985 with the Clinton deal a decade later. Your name implies you are about truth but your actions prove otherwise.
     
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    Sources say! What a cop out.
     
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    What difference does it make. The Admin stated what "there is some threat". What does this even mean other than nothing. If there is some threat - then the admin should tell us what this threat is or shut up.

    The idea that we should spend a bunch of money and get a bunch of our soldiers killed on the basis of "there is a threat" is preposterous nonsense.

    This is even more ridiculous than the Iraq war justification. Sans that the administration lied and misrepresented the truth - at least they stated what the supposed threat was.
     
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    There are a lot of people telling lies these days and not all are politicians. I'm not overly concerned with the recent military buildup and rather than start a war it just may prevent someone from a rash move that could cause it. I'll wait and see whether the people I voted for are right or the ones who voted a different set of policies.
     

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