Trump administration approves F-16 fighter jet sales to Taiwan

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  1. reedak

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    1. The Trump administration is moving forward with an $8 billion sale of F-16 fighter jets to Taiwan, American officials said Friday. The move is certain to further anger China at a time when a long-running trade war between Washington and Beijing has upended relations between the world’s two largest economies and contributed to stock market turmoil....

    2. Can China find an appropriate response to the US hostile move? The answer is: "Easy, definitely easy!" Before answering the question, however, let us read the following fable which may become one of my most famous copyright stories. Just kidding!

    After a farmer received an eaglet as a gift from a friend, he kept it in a large cage beside his farm. For ten years, looking out from the cage, the "domesticated" bird could only see chickens and ducks and hear their clucking, crowing and quacking.

    One day, the eagle managed to escape from the cage. However, instead of flying away, the eagle still loitered in the farm, clucking like a hen and crowing occasionally like a rooster. Two eagles happened to pass by and saw the bizarre behaviour of their species from high above in the sky. They flew down, and one of them spoke to the eagle: "Hi, friend. Why are you behaving like a chicken! Don't you know you are an eagle that can fly across the wide oceans and above the lofty mountains?"

    The eagle replied: “To be honest with you, I don't know. I have never flown in my life."

    The two eagles said: "Let us show you." They asked the eagle to stand between them and open its wings. With one eagle placing its wing under the left wing, and the other eagle placing its wing under the right wing of the "domesticated" eagle, they lifted it high up into the sky. After a while, the two eagles told the "domesticated" bird that they would like to see it fly by itself. Before it could answer, the two eagles flapped their wings and flew away.

    The "domesticated" eagle plunged more than several hundred metres before it could steady itself and fly like a real eagle. Looking down below at the mountains and the sea, it felt an exhilarating sense of achievement and new beginnings. "Never before did I know I could fly so high!" It screeched excitedly.

    3. I have come across a TV documentary film about the Korean War in which a US war veteran was still unnerved by his horrifying experience of waves after waves of Chinese troops pouring across the Yalu River, pushing the US-led Allied troops back to the south of the Korean Peninsula. The Korean War was the first historical armed combat between the US and China with modern weapons, not bows and arrows.

    How should China respond if the US goes ahead with its arms sale to Taiwan? As I have said earlier, the answer is "easy". It won't be a military response that will send humanity to extinction. To put it simply, China should ignore all US unilateral sanctions against Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and other countries. China could just start trading with all the countries victimized by American imperialism and hegemony, particularly Iran which is a vital link in the Belt and Road Initiative. In order to avoid any US maritime disruption, China should consider trading actively with Iran by road, rail and air transportation.

    4. On October 1, 1949 when Chairman Mao proclaimed the People's Republic of China, he declared "the Chinese people have stood up". Henceforth, all Chinese people should stand up once again against American imperialism and hegemony. Since American imperialists and hegemonists like talking about "Tiananmen", China should consider building a Trump monument in Tiananmen Square as an expression of gratitude to Donald Trump and other US imperialists for enabling them to rediscover and renew their can-do attitude. :angel:
     
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    Why should we not sell aircraft to Taiwan?
    We should probably sell some to Hong Kong while we are at it.
     
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    Well, for one, we don't recognize it as a sovereign country.
     
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    Taiwan should arm its citizenry and force the PRC to go door to door and kill millions of men, women and children.

    Let's be real though, in any case where the PRC is invading Taiwan a world war is already underway or about to begin - so that should be sufficient deterrent.
     
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    This is one of the few good things that the Trump administration has done.
     
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    Taiwan is the last bastian of what is left of a real China, a ationalist China. They need and deserve our support.
     
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    So you approve of selling military hardware to non-countries, because that is exactly what we are doing in supplying Taiwan.

    Here's who recognizes Taiwan. Note that the US is not on this impressive (sarcasm) list.

    All nations that recognize Taiwan as an independent state are:

     
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    We were a non sovereign nation and then France helped us in the Rev war and they helped us out with weapon and then we were sovereign.

    You have a problem with that?
     
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    Donbas needs an air force. You have a problem with that?
     
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    Donbas is not a nation or a country. It is a province infested with pro Russian traitors who should move to Russia if they do not like it in Ukraine.
     
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    Taiwan is not a nation, either. It is part of China.

    Obviously you're only ok with this when it suits your biases.
     
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    Actually Taiwan had an indigenous population. I am not biased I support Taiwan because it is where the good Chinese government of Nationalist China moved to. It is the last vestige of a good China e.g. Not a bad China - which is Communist.
     
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    Once upon a time there was an eagle raised as a duck.
    It believed that all ducks just lived behind a bamboo wall and ate their own crap.
    But then two free eagles lifted the captive eagle out of its enclosure and helped
    it to see the real, free world outside.
    But the eagle was afraid because its family still lived in this bamboo enclosure.
    It had lost many of its family ducks to the Cultural Revolution and Great Leap
    Forward.
    And if it flew away then its family would be persecuted, even killed by the Leader
    Duck. It was hard for ducks to escape because they had to earn social credits,
    and cameras were everywhere. And Leader Duck wanted to own the whole world.

    Leader Duck recalled the colonization and conquest of Taiwan. It spoke of owning
    Tibet, pushing Vietnam around, making islands against international law, stealing
    technology and cheating on trade and generally breaking the very rules of world
    order which had helped it become great.
     
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    Not too long ago we weren't even allowed to say the word Taiwan, I remember the big fuss when Trump took a phone call from Taiwan's president congratulating him on his win... shock horror, how dare he speak to Taiwan
    yeah things sure have changed
     
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    actually that's where you are wrong, the KMT was only good after 96s, that's where Taiwan got their 1st election. 1920-40, they were dictatorship and was corrupt to the bone, that's why CCP win the war due to support from peasant.
     
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    I support sticking it to China in all ways that don't involve pulling a trigger.
     
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    A little bit of corruption is way better than a Communist government whose main claim to fame is genocide..
     
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    you have no idea on chinese history in that era, i'm talking about KMT was worse than saddam corruption and dictatorship back then. its the reason Mao won the war due to support from mass. The KMT has some the best war machine provide by US at that time( air force, navy, tank, artillery etc etc), Maos army didn't have anything except some bolt action rifles, outdated light weight artillery etc but they got the support of the mass. the peasant provide shelter/food/info to the CCP, KMT military also have low morale/defection etc, which cost KMT the war and flee to taiwan. The great leap forward and culture revolution was later. the great leap forward was Maos naive way try to make china industrialized, the culture revolution and gang of four was used to purge the upper echelon that oppose mao after the disaster result after great leap forward. the culture revolution got out of hand quickly.
     
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    The Chiang Kai Shiek regime may not have been the icon of democracy but that was the era in China when war lords ruled their pieces of fiefdoms. At least Chiang was not communist and I know about communists since the Russians brought communism to the country of my parents and the Russians committed genocide in the name of communism and because my parents country was not Russia. I do know that Mao led a peasant army against Chiang Kai Shek and even a little against the invading Japanese.

    No matter what you think about Chiang you must realize that Communists are the evil of all evils equal to Nazis.
     
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    Chiang Kai was warlord and a dictator. i disagree on your remark on CCP, thats your ideology from cold war era. when you really dig into modern chinese history, the great leap forward culture revolution etc, its pretty much from one guy Mao. after him, deng open up china, which get rid of extreme poverty for over 1B people. of course china still have political oppression etc, but it offer security/food/shelter/economy, which is the reason most chinese these days support their government. between Mao and Chiang Kai Shiek both are the worst. Taiwan didn't even have election till 1996, and Taiwan was under martial law for about 38 years. If Chiang Kai Shiek won the war, he will likely do worst. Heck Chiang family run china, later taiwan for couple generations, its like a dynasty. if you never been to china then you wont even understand. Chinese these days value economy more so then political freedom.
     
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    So are you saying that Taiwan needs to undergo genocide and the cultural revolution ? If you are saying that you are wishing very baf things on the people of Taiwan.
     
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    your still didn't understand. Chiang Kai was same as Mao, it doesn't matter they called commy or ROC. if Chiang was in charge, he likely doing something similar to Mao, just look at his iron grip over taiwan after he lost the war. My point was, Under Mao china was very different than Under Deng. it depended on who is charge. you can call the government democratic/communism/socialism etc, it doesn't matter if you have someone like CHiangKai/Mao or stalin in charge, the more power they have the more damage they can cause. some the worst country in africa are so called democratic country, but its leader was still a dictator.
     
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    Oh I understand alright I just do not agree with you that Chiang was as bad as Mao.
     
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    Chiang Kai-shek did nothing wrong.
     

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