Trump Administration is Advancing Class Warfare Against Us

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  1. Kode

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    Today, I received the following email:

    "Here are six policies that you might have missed that Donald Trump and Congress are trying to enact while they think we’re not looking:"

    This is an attack on our financial security for the benefit of the finance industry. ...class warfare!


    This one is obviously an attack on our labor and income for the benefit of corporations. ...class warfare!


    This is an attack on our right to freely organize. The goal is obviously to eliminate any right of workers to organize to represent their interests. ...class warfare!


    These are all attacks on the working class for the benefit of the corporate elite and Wall Street. This is raw, unadulterated class warfare being waged against the people. It happens daily in some way. But we aren't supposed to notice that. No. We're supposed to cower and run away when our reaction against it is called "class warfare" by the minority who defends and guards the claimed "rights" of the corporate class. Sorry, but class warfare always starts with the rich and powerful greed that sucks all the value and life out of the workers. That is its origin. But we aren't supposed to notice that.
     
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    Have you an objection to news of the Trump Administration's latest and pending attacks on workers? Then let me also point out the deceptive titles of those bills contrived by Republicans who see a need to trick the public by lying about what they're up to.
     
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    So, in your mind, it's only ok for one side to do this? Unions regularly infiltrate non-union shops with workers who are paid supplemental income, for the goal of converting the workers to the union cause, and forcing a unionization vote in the shop. Don't tell me they don't, my family has been involved in union leadership for generations. It would seem to me, that if the company wants to do the same thing, all is fair in love in war.
     
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    Think about all the various supporting agencies, organizations, political orgs., economic orgs., and community orgs. businesses have. Now think about all the supporting orgs. workers have to help them deal with workplace problems. You'll come up with a ratio of about 25 to 0.

    Unions are the only support workers have in their work life.
     
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    That could not be further from the truth. They also have every Democrat politician supporting them, and no support means more than the guys that write law.

    But, you are missing the point. If one side can infiltrate and try to sway the workers, so can the other, if we are being fair. It matters little how many little groups support the cause. This issue is about real workers casting real votes to unionize or not. If the union can put their guys among the workers, I see no reason the company can't.

    What is really telling though, is that you want only one side to be able to do this. You are are not calling for this to be banned both ways. You seek an unfair situation, which makes your calls for fairness ring hollow.
     
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    Yah fine. You're not admitting the truth, which is that class warfare begins with capitalist exploitation and propaganda against workers in order to squeeze more out of workers, and workers respond with their own class warfare to defend themselves.
     
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    In actuality our workers have been under attack ever since Reagan won. There is an intent to depress wages as much as humanly possible, using these tactics, but also open borders and economic globalization, the exploitation of basically slave labor. I don't hear the faux liberal democrats ranting against this, only us Bernie sanders supporter who were FDR democrats before we left this party due to their desertion of average working Americans. It isn't a secret as to what is going on to create maximum disparity in income and wealth. When the dems stopped representing working americans, and joined the GOP, it eventually led to trump winning and sanders losing the nomination. Trump acted like he would represent working people, but that isn't gonna happen. He fooled millions,, who were desperate for representation. Hopefully these will wake up and yet they have no where to go. For unless the democrat party reforms, moves back to what they once were, working people are a lost group in America. Forgotten. But there is a breaking point and what FDR feared will come to pass. People get tired of suffering when the system in place, created for the elites, is responsible.
     
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    1. The fiduciary rule just went into effect and hasn't really impacted anyone, one way or the other, yet. So it is irrelevant.
    2. Everyone gets paid overtime. Trump can't stop it.
    3.Unions are bad. We don't need them.
    4. 5. and 6. Anti union bills are good for America.
    The only class warfare in all of this is you trying to incite it.
     
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    I have never been in a union. I thank God for my life and my liberty.
     
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    Capitalism is good. You sound like a communist.
     
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    Right wing crap.
     
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    No, -Marxist socialist.
     
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    No, I'm saying nothing of the sort. People who divide every political issue in to good versus evil, lack the intellectual capability to understand the reasons for the opposing view. I believe that workers and companies should be able to be union, or not union, if they choose. When you take away the owner's right to fight against becoming a union company, you will not like the result. They will just close the company and open a new one, with a new name. Strong arm tactics of the radical left, never work out in the end.
     
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    There certainly are difficulties associated with confronting the corporate elite and their power. Only unions can do it. But to end the need we need a new economic system.
     
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    You say corporate elite but, many union companies are not even corporations; they are small LLCs. You want to paint business owners as some big conglomerate but, that is not necessarily true. The building trades are nearly all handled by small, local companies, often family owned. You act as if there is nothing on the line for the company, because presumably they make so much money they can't count it all. Nothing could be further from the truth.
     
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    I'm very familiar with the construction industry and the building trades. I also know that home builders (family businesses) are not under the threat of unionizing.
     
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    So you are abandoning your prior stance?

    I was speaking to the commercial builders, among who many are union. Of course residential builders are under no threat of unionizing, the entire industry is staffed by illegal aliens. This is another industry where we are told there are jobs Americans just won't do. I guess before the wave of illegal immigration, Americans just didn't build houses, or something.
     
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    Semantics, same damn thing.
     
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    Home builders employed American citizens until about 1990 (roughly). At that point builders began choosing cheap, undocumented Hispanic labor. Today it's almost impossible to find non-Hispanic carpenters working for home builders.
     
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    Have you ever BEEN in a union?
     
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    Trump loves Class Warfare.

    That is why he is so happy to represent Wall Street and the richest 1%.
     
  22. Kode

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    If you understood it you would know differently.
     
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    I have no doubt that Trump did appeal to the working class. Sanders also appealed to the working class. You are right about the establishment Democrats abandoning the blue collar worker just like they did when Reagan won . The Democrat party is fractured and the split is that working Democrats or middle America working Democrats sided with Trump. Elitist coastal type Democrats overwhelmingly supported Clinton. What about those Sander supporters? The majority went with Hillary even though Trump was closer to their economic concerns. So why? Trump wants to close the border to protect American jobs but Saunders supporters want open borders which works against their interests. I know for a fact that American companies have let go American workers and replaced them with cheaper foreign workers. Trump is a businessman and thinks like a businessman. He is impatient, impetuous, and at times boorish but really is interested in rebuilding America. Sanders is angry, envious, and blames others and his solution is feel good socialism. He would tear down all capitalist entities and have them be state sponsored. Sounds good on paper but hasn't worked well for others in the past.
     
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    No they don't. That's as ridiculous as you think it is.


    Your opinion. I know he's a liar who will say anything to get people to "like" him for it.


    Envious? Hardly. He has a factual, accurate, and correct analysis of our present state of affairs.


    Exactly how do you know that? I know for a fact he said he was a "democratic socialist in the tradition of FDR". Did FDR do as you said?
     
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    Baloney.
     
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