Trump administration separated families. Reuniting them is a giant mess.

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    once more I get to report you for spam.
     
  2. Tim15856

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    Could you link to something that that gives more info on your claim? Some of it seems confusing, I've read that the agency that controls this has sent out letters to foster families looking for these kids and a few didn't respond.
     
  3. jgoins

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    If you were to commit a crime and were caught in any nation in the world you would be separated from your children as you go to jail, why should it be any different at the border? Personally I think everyone who is caught crossing illegally should be turned around and sent back immediately regardless of reasons.
     
  4. jgoins

    jgoins Well-Known Member

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    If it goes the other way will you just acknowledge that it is the will of the people and give up?
     
  5. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    I sincerely doubt that children would be integrated into a foster system of said country, and in fact it would likely cause an international incident as it would be basically kidnapping of an American citizen.
     
  6. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    So. . .children don't have rights but fetuses do?
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, why should I? I have my politics, you have yours. I don't expect you'll all become Democrats, even though I think your loss will be epic.

    This is one thing about you guys that bothers me. You seem to think your having won means we, and anyone else really, shouldn't be allowed to disagree with you. I find that a very frightening thought.
     
  8. Professor Peabody

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    He promised to end "catch and release", once you release 'em with a court date they rarely show up. I say keep 'em together in detention till their court date comes up. This very thing had been going on since 2014, it wasn't a problem till now.
     
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  9. WillReadmore

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    Obama found that the return rate is just about 100% when ankle locators are used.

    That means not dividing families AND it is cheaper than incarceration.

    Instead of moving in that direction, Trump decided to take children away from families without ANY PLAN as to how they would EVER be reunited.

    No president has done anything that heinous.

    Then, he deported kids without parents, parents without their kids AND had small children face immigration court.

    That's not just heinous - it's STUPID.
     
  10. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Proof please.
     
  11. jgoins

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    No I don't think you shouldn't be allowed to disagree but I do think that opposition shouldn't take the form of trying to shut down opposition with shouting and claiming racism. No opposition of ideas should be shut down regardless of which side it is. We have just as much right to our opinions as you do and you should be open to hearing it and we should be open to hear yours. Getting in the face of your opponents and screaming at them is not acceptable and only breeds conflict not discussion.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. My point exactly as a matter of fact.
     
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  13. jgoins

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    If an American citizen visited Italy, robbed a bank and was arrested that does not create an international incident. If they had children with them they would be held in temporary care until relatives could be found which is what we are attempting to do with the children at the border. Many of the children at the border came here with human traffickers, not their parents, and need to be cared for until something can be done with them. Relatives on this side of the border are probably illegal and therefore do not come forward readily to claim the children.
     
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    If more on your side felt the same way we wouldn't have so many trying to shut down opposing ideas.
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Nor yours. I've gone on record as saying I think Antifas are sponsored by secret rightists That's one of my own personal conspiracy theories, since I have NO evidence to back it up beyond the fact is it so very harmful to any leftist cause.
     
  16. jgoins

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    Then by the same token I could say the Klan is a leftist attempt to harm those on the right.
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    True. The Klan in the 1920's was famous for loudly endorsing their political opposition, they were very much aware that most Southerners despised them Wheels within wheels.
     
  18. WillReadmore

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    If you search on "ankle locators immigration" you will get a sea of opinion and data.

    I'll point out that it is NOT all positive!
     
  19. Professor Peabody

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    They cost $1,000 each and they just cut them right off. That works.
     
  20. GraspingforPeace

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    By many, you mean "very, very little". That's what the data proves out, but go ahead and lie about it.
     
  21. jgoins

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    So I guess you want the entire family to be arrested for breaking the law. I think they should all be turned back and sent away when they arrive in the first place. They didn't care about the danger to their children when they left their homes so why should we care about it if we turn them around?
     

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