Trump administration slaps more sanctions on Russia after Skripal poisonings

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  1. Robert84

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    Another remark about this sanctions

    Sanctions are punishment, but nobody can be punished only because it is likely that he has commited a crime.

    It would sound quite idiotically if somebody says: "Mr. White is being punished because it is highly likely that he has poisoned Mrs. Brown".

    But in the case of the Skripals we have exactly that - Theresa May and company impose sanctions against Russians because in their opinion it was highly likely that Russians had poisoned the Skripals (see below a citation from the official site of the British Government).

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speec...-on-salisbury-incident-response-14-march-2018
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    There has never been any definitive evidence of it. Remember (my sig?) 'The bigger the lie, and the more times it's repeated, the more there will be who'll believe it.'?
     
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    And one more citation from the official site of the British Government

    Theresa May has used a method of NLP which is called "exclusion of variants" - there were NOT only two plausible explanations.

    I wrote about a third plausible explanation earlier in this thread - there can be a state which wants that relations between Russia and the rest of the world become worse and the secret service of this state has poisoned the Skripals - http://www.politicalforum.com/index...er-skripal-poisonings.539244/#post-1069468220
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yep, NLP works like a charm on the gullible and unthinking.
     
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    I have a Greek friend who used to argue with me about the Nov17 Greek terrorist group. She believed Nov17 was really an American outfit killing American, NATO and Western Capitalist targets to discredit Greek freedom fighters.
    She had the honesty to at least say she was wrong after one of these Nov17 guys was caught red-handed when a bomb he was carrying went off, injuring him.
     
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    Yes, Putin DOES benefit. He doesn't care if his own people face harsher living standards - he has demonstrated that himself. His "benefit" is two fold -
    1 - settling scores against his enemies. He has a vindictive streak.
    2 - warning others not to become his enemy.

    Does England benefit? Doubt it. The Capitalists do well from Russia.
    The people who want sanctions are people who take offense at Putin's ruthless antics - that obviously doesn't include yourself.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you'd said 'killing' rather than 'injuring' him, it would have been the funniest thing I've read so far today.
     
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    Yes, we need more authentic news.
    Have you read the North Korean news?
    http://www.korea-dpr.com/
    "The DPRK is the Juche-oriented socialist state which embodies the idea and leadership of Comrade Kim II Sung, the founder of the Republic and the father of socialist Korea."

    Wow. No CNN in Nth Korea!
    Nothing but the TRUTH

    And have you tried reading an English version of the Chinese Communist newspaper?
    http://english.cpc.people.com.cn/

    Wow!! No "sweet Food Network" there!!!!

    And there's the Venezuelan papers, the Cuban papers and of course your friend Putin's papers!
    (CNN claimed the Putin murdered independent journalists. One reporter was murdered for reporting the deaths of Russian soldiers... sorry volunteers... who were killed in Syria.
    Wikipedia claimed Russia is "the third deadliest country in the world for journalists" since 1991)

    All telling the TRUTH. NOT LIKE CNN.
    At least, the Left's version of the Truth.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Donor

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    Um, excuse me but Wiki can be spontaneously edited by any Tom, Dick, or Harry with an agenda or some kind of gripe?
     
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    Get at least a little evidence
     
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    In my opinion the saying "If you want to find a criminal, ask yourself: who benefits?" is absolutely wrong.

    Because a crime is, as a rule, committed by one party but there can be a lot of parties which could benefit from this crime - and among these parties can be some parites whose benefits are well hidden.

    Therefore in my opinion - If you want to find a criminal, look for evidence pointing to this criminal (finger prints, pictures on CCTV cameras etc.) not for motives and benefits.

    If your police is not able to find evidence pointing to a certain criminal, dismiss the chief of your police but do not try to punish somebody only because in your opinion "it was highly likely" that this somebody has committed this crime.

    It is your police and you are responsible for its work.
     
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    huh???...it benefits the "establishment" of England...how the hell does it benefit the Brits...??
     
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    'evidence'? Haven't you heard - that word has been erased from the English lexicon. I'd love for Putin to ask for evidence of the Skripal thang and then see what the British government says as the response to it. lol
     
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    State contrived logic has replaced evidence.

    I wonder how many health care workers were contaminated by this "nerve agent". I bet none.
     
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    Apparently the Skripals were getting intensive care 'in an annex to the ICU department'. Make of that what you will?
     
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    If I recall correctly the only healthcare worker to die from something imported was under Obama and it was Ebola.
     
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    These nerve agents have very low volatility and remain in the contamination zone as oily residues for long periods of time. They absorbed quickly through the skin and are highly lethal. The ambulance workers arriving on the scene would have succumbed to the nerve agent long before they removed the victims
     
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    Yep, more holes in it than a Swiss cheese.
     
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    Russian oligarchs (read filthy Putin Capitalists) have invested a lot of money in the UK.
    The British have done very well out of said oligarchs.
    Putin's nerve gas, polonium, shootings and plain old strangulations of his enemies
    has the potential to dent the oligarchs fascination with England. It won't dent Putin's
    vast wealth.
     
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    Yup... all invented by the Dastardly American Imperialist Capitalists and their Puppets and Running Dogs (you know, probably the same ones who feed, house and educate you, and give you the freedom to use this internet without censorship.)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

    Could these journalists have been killed by your Dastardly American Imperialist Capitalists and their Puppets and Running Dogs?
    Someone must have killed them because they aren't around anymore.

    IF PUTIN KILLS HIS OWN JOURNALISTS THEN IT'S NO BIG STEP TO KILL THOSE CONSIDERED TRAITORS TO MOTHER RUSSIA.
     
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