Trump administration to expel Chinese graduate students linked to China’s military schools

Apartheid South Africa used to create their own medals and award them to their white citizens as well.

 

What are you trying to say? That international Olympiads and medals from it are somehow created by Iran??? What else?
Here is the official website for the international math Olympiad and you can do your own homework for the rest (physics, chemistry etc).
https://imo-official.org/results_country.aspx

And this is the tally of gold, silver, and bronze medals for Iran from that site:

Islamic Republic of Iran ...45 Gold, 97 Silver, 43 Bronze.

The only other countries in the entire Middle East region to have any gold medals are Turkey (19) and Israel (14). The rest (including Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia et al) have ZERO. India, with more than 1 billion in population, has only 12 Gold medals. Pakistan has zero. Even Japan has fewer (42) gold medals than Iran. And the same for France (24), Italy (15), and everyone else in western Europe except Germany (51) and the UK (48.)

And it is not just in math, although they say "math doesn't lie" Here are videos I have posted before which you can watch and see when Iran began even earning any medals -- and how it began overtaking so many others, while still behind certain other countries as well. Not just in math, but also physics and chemistry (and practically every scientific field there is). These videos aren't about Iran and they show all countries that are now or have once been among the top 20.

 

It really irritates me that some people can't even deal with simple facts! The notion that even the medal count from Iran in internationally sponsored academic competitions is somehow fake!!

Besides the number of gold medals, I should also add this: Iranian students are among a very select group of students from other countries which have ever won these Olympic competitions outright, finishing with the most gold medals.

This one is for math, but Iran is also among a select group of countries to have won the physics Olympiad outright as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mathematical_Olympiad

And, as I have alluded to implicitly, is also among the very few whose nationals have won the Nobel prize equivalent in mathematics, with Iran ranked #6 on this table with 2 Field Medal recipients (2014, 2018.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Fields_Medalists

 

It never stopped a racist to not make a difference between a ethnic Chinese citizen of China, and an ethnic Chinese citizens in the US.

Maybe you have a talk with the Jewish community about alleged dual loyalty issues that you're seeing.
See how that goes down.

 

Glad it amuses you.

 

So you still can't discern the difference between a Chinese national and someone ethnically Chinese. And what that has to do with Jewish people I've no idea. I can only assume that you regard ethnicity as more important than nationhood, so you think a Chinese person anywhere in the world owes their allegiance to the People's Republic of China? Which nation state do you swear allegiance to? I assume it's not the one you're a citizen of.

 

It's just you who doesn't get it that nazi's don't make the difference between a Chinese national and someone ethnically Chinese.

People yelling "go back to your own country" do that. Frequently heard among the right.
Have you heard about such a quote before, mikey? That's linking a country to an ethnicity of a different nationality.

 

Nazis? WTF are you talking about?

Are you saying that we can't exclude Chinese students from studying in the US because of the Third Reich? You sound crazy.

 

The US university system is the only one in the world that takes significant foreign students. Like Karl Marx says the capitalists will sell you the rope you hang them with.
We let multinational companies put thier profits before our peoples interests.

 

The United States is probably the only remaining country on earth that has the potential of defeating global communism, especially after the election of Donald Trump.

Mr. Trump need not to finish it off himself (as such an endeavor seems too unrealistic), but he can certainly put America- and whoever its future allies may be- on the path of doing so, and dealing it a fatal blow.

 

No, what I think he is saying is actually correct. And you can't hide the truth behind what he says by shooting down a misplaced straw man.

What he is saying, or at least what I would say, is simple: the chauvinism, racism, xenophobia, that actually fuels the measures we are talking about, regardless of what "national security" excuse is given and the more limited scope of the immediate object of such sentiments, in this instance 'Chinese nationals" studying in the US, can (and will likely) burn down a lot more than you imagine. In fact, it already has but those who fuel the fire just don't see.

 

The race-based disadvantage in the US along with entrenched poverty in the West, is a dystopian neoliberal nightmare.

"Black households have fewer and are in greater need of personal savings than their white counterparts. For a variety of reasons, blacks are more likely to experience negative income shocks but are less likely to have access to emergency savings. As a consequence, blacks are more likely to fall behind on their bills and go into debt during times of emergency".

…..during times of emergency, like the present pandemic.

And as for China's state-managed capitalism: ​

https://ellenbrown.com/2019/06/14/the-american-dream-is-alive-and-well-in-china/

"Unlike the U.S. government, the Chinese government supports its workers and its industries. Rather than penalizing China for that “unfair” trade practice, perhaps the U.S. government should try doing the same. China’s legacy is socialist, and after opening to international trade it has continued to serve the collective good, particularly of its workers. Meanwhile, the U.S. model has been regressing into feudalism, with workers driven into slave-like conditions through debt. In the 21st century, it is time to upgrade our economic model from one of feudal exploitation to a cooperative democracy that recognizes the needs, contributions and inalienable rights of all participants"

In fact Trump and the other alt-righters in the WH (inc. Bannon, now exited) are desperate in the face of the inexorable rise of China owing to its better economic system.

And imagine how the present anarchy in the US looks in China....while the US is attempting to foment anarchy in Hong Kong....

 

Your attempted point seems pretty see through to me. @notme is simply a garden variety Western "woke" leftist, who views everything through the lens of identity, whether it's racial, ethnic, sexual identity or whatever new identity those guys make up. He genuinely can't view China as a competing nation state, but simply a group of non white victims of western oppression. For him, there are no national interests, only racial ones.

I don't think you buy that for a second, as in, I don't think you view the long standing conflict between Iran and the US as about American bigotry towards ethnic Persians or Farsi speakers (although I've no doubt Notme does). So I think you are dishonestly appropriating his "woke" argument: "the chauvinism, racism, xenophobia, that actually fuels the measures we are talking about..." That will easily fool Notme, but I'm afraid you are going to have to do much better than that in this thread.

Although I admit, the Foreign Offices of Europe are filled with Notmes. It's a wonder the Iranian government hasn't pushed that tactic, "If you don't provide us with nuclear material, we will declare your countries racist!" Heh, it might work. But I'm not European or a woke dummy, so you are going to have to do better than that.

 

That's not going to happen. Even on the slim chance that Trump wins re-election, he has been battling the establishment, both government and business interests that want to restore the pre-Trump status quo with China. If the Democratic Party wins in November, US policy will quickly revert back to embracing the inevitable Chinese hegemony.

In any case, you have opined on this forum in years past that the US is declining power. You must realize that our days of making that sort of Cold War effort are over. We're coasting on our seed corn now.

 

Yes, and the labor racketeering which is Red China's primary product is greatly loved by Wall Street and the 'globalists' who plunder the planet at will, which is why the U.S. needs to get rid of its domestic criminal syndicates before it can do much of anything except slowly lose its republic and become another Venezuela or Bosnia. Our Founders had a relatively non-violent method of getting rid of the malcontents and fifth columnists, deportations, and we need to start deporting many millions of those pretty much right away. Most of those in the streets now need to go, and some wildlife preserve in Africa would be ideal for them. Let feral animals prey on each other, as they're supposed to, and remove them from civilized society.

 

1- identity politics in America is not exclusive to the left by any means! It is the product of American history and politics from its earliest days to the present. Identity politics was what fueled racism, slavery, the confederacy, Jim Crow laws, the KKK, the battles against equal justice during the civil rights movement, to what we have seen more recently with the rise of the alt-right movement, white nationalism and such. And, along the way, that has produced its opposite reaction in the west as well, in the kind identity politics you allude to among the left.
2- you are right that I don't view the relationship between Iran and the US through the prism of racial identity politics in the US per se. You are wrong to imagine that some of what may, in reality, be motivated by different considerations and other geopolitical and such motives by US policy-makers and special interest groups, isn't supported among the general public in the US by appeal to the kind of ignorance, chauvinism and racism that is embedded in American culture: among people who hardly knowing anything about Iran besides their prejudices (prejudices which are amply stoked by their daily dose of propaganda) but who are full of definitive opinions about a country they know little about, simply based on the stereotypes about what it must be like!
3- the follow up message you posted in response to another post regarding China was more along the lines of a message I can accept as being framed differently than I would, but ultimately not that far off the mark. Except, besides not wanting to see Chinese hegemony anymore than American hegemony or any other hegemony, I am also not at all convinced that such a hegemony is inevitable. Instead, I hope to see a more multi-polar world and China obviously would be one of those poles.

 

lol your 'country' and most of the ME countries solved their problem with uppity black slaves by exterminating every last one of them during a slave revolt, then began castrating black males from that time on before allowing males into your countries at all. You also murdered any babies resulting from getting your black females slaves pregnant, and also mostly began importing your slaves from eastern Europe. Asia, India, and Africa etc. also solved their 'ethnic problems' by genocides, and still do. You have nothing to say about what goes on in the U.S.; if we handled it the same way your ilk does, there would never be any 'minorities' around to be whining and sniveling now. You never see any demanding to be repatriated back to their 'homelands' either, which is extremely odd if the U.S. was such a terrible place for them to live.

 

You know nothing about my country. My country, Iran (known in the West as "Persia" but referred to as Iran by its leaders and people throughout most of its history), has ruled many empires during many dynasties from the time of the rise of the 'first Persian empire" under the Achaemenid dynasty (550 BC–330 BC), the rise of the Arsacid dynasty (Parthians) (247 BC–224 AD), to the Sassanian empire of Iran (224–651), to less notable, more local, dynasties that ruled Iran during the middle ages (Samanids, Buyids, Ghazvnavids, et al), to the rise of the nascent modern Iranian-nation state under the Safavid dynasty (1501-1736), to the Afsharid and then Zand dynasties (1736-1796), to the Qajar dynasty (1796-1925), to the Pahlavi dynasty (1925-1979), to the Islamic Republic of Iran (1979-present). Please let me know when, under which of these dynasties, did any of what you say happen?? To make your job easy, I have hyper linked the names of each of Iran's ruling dynasties and regimes with the applicable Wikipedia entry about them, but feel free to use the 'source' that has told you these things about IRAN?

 

I responded to your "the difference between a Chinese national and someone ethnically Chinese.".
You indeed do not know what you're talking about when you can't follow your own context.

Ah... the ol' "are you saying << insert lies>>"-theme.
How amusing.

 

And if they don’t win?

Yes, but I longer characterize the United States as your standard Anglo-Saxon Western country whose power-base is receding.

 

Oh I have proved that racism is institutionalized in the US often enough. People like you are just absolutely not open to even willing to discuss this, not to mention accept it. It's such a taboo for white right wing America.

@Iranian Monitor... mike is just lost. I never said this.

 

America has been the timid, naive and clueless white guy on the international stage for a while now, and that’s mostly why countries like China and Iran have been dominating it on a number of levels...until Trump assumed the presidency.

Communists detest the confident political man who’s always referring to individual human spirit. They know how threatening he can be for their agenda. Just look at what they did to Jesus or Hitler.....

 

I know. I have read your messages, as I usually do.

 

And for quite a longer time now, the US had this festering race-based sore that occasionally erupts spectacularly...
And you haven't a clue how to fix it...because you think personal responsibility is the only factor affecting peoples' lives.

Iran? The US is only concerned because Israel has to make sure Iran doesn't get the bomb.

Meanwhile, China has risen on the back of state-managed capitalism (can't you read?)

"Unlike the U.S. government, the Chinese government supports its workers and its industries. Rather than penalizing China for that “unfair” trade practice, perhaps the U.S. government should try doing the same. China’s legacy is socialist, and after opening to international trade it has continued to serve the collective good, particularly of its workers. Meanwhile, the U.S. model has been regressing into feudalism, with workers driven into slave-like conditions through debt. In the 21st century, it is time to upgrade our economic model from one of feudal exploitation to a cooperative democracy that recognizes the needs, contributions and inalienable rights of all participants".

And Trump is getting increasingly desperate, as the Chinese model inexorably increases China's prosperity.

The present anarchy in the US ought to be reason enough for you to worry less about "communists", and more about fixing your own dysfunctional economy, hopefully involving something smarter than sending the military against your most disadvantaged citizens - it's the entrenched disadvantage that must be eliminated, not the citizens.

You could start by exercising your "individual spirit" and begging Bernie to take charge, to implement "an economy that works for all". The present neoliberal system in the US is a disgrace.

What did "communists" do to Jesus, or Hitler?

Certainly, I know what Jesus would have thought of entrenched race-based poverty. ("it's easier to thread a needle with a ship's cable, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven")

 

If that was the case, the US would not have teared up the JCPOA -- nor would Israel have been so adamant that course be followed. The Israelis know, better than anyone else besides the US, that if Iran wanted to build the bomb, it would have the bomb a long time ago.

But what you said, while limiting the issue even more, nonetheless reminded me of this article last year in Foreign Affairs. The article, at the very least, represents the view of two distinguished foreign policy figures(1) with some first hand experience and expertise on the issue.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2019-10-15/americas-great-satan
America’s Great Satan
The 40-Year Obsession With Iran

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