Trump admits underfunding USPS to stop or reduce MAIL IN VOTING.

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  1. StillBlue

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    An Irony is that Trump says absentee voting is OK but not mail in. Why would that be? Mail in votes will mostly come from local post offices but absentee votes could come from anywhere in the world. How is the local post office more susceptible to fraud than the one, say, in Moscow? The number of people handling the ballots is a whole lot more and in fact includes the local post office in the end.
     
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    Your 'if' sentence is not logical. The obvious reason Trump is sabatoging the USPS is not dependent on whether or not anyone misquotes him.

    Therefore, regardless of misquoting, Trump's reason for sabatoging the mail is obvious:

    Trump, by sabatoging the USPS, he can cause more ballots to be disqualified because they didn't meet the deadlline, and the more spoiled mail in ballots there are, if he loses he can blame mail in voting inaccuracy on his loss, and not the fact that 'we the people' do not want him to continue as president.

    Why? Because Trump makes no effort to hide who he really is.

    Who is Trump, really? Why, I don't know if you have noticed, but he is a criminal (individual 1 in the Cohen indictment) he is a fraud, he is deceitful, he's lied to America and even to his wife, Melania, and because of these things, he is the most despicable excuse for a human being ever to have arrived on the political scene in history, beating all others in his awfulness.

    And, if you are going to shout 'TDS', the appropriate response was beautifully answered by one well known critic of liberals and conservatives alike:

     
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    Trump admits underfunding USPS to stop or reduce MAIL IN VOTING.

    The USPS isn't funded by government. It generates its own revenue and profits. The problem is that congress steals some of the revenue to spend on other things. Your title is pure nonsense.
     
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    The Senate (with direction from Trump) is holding up the $600 extra unemployment money over 25 billion dollars for the USPS (out of a several trillion dollar bill)

    Meanwhile Trump and Melania just requested their absentee ballots
     
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    If you make truth a rubber band and stretch it way out of bounds, the most likely result is that it will wind up snapping back and hitting you in the face- hard.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's as if the worse Trump does in the polls, the more discombobulated your posts seem to be getting. This appears to be a leitmotif on the extreme right.
     
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    Here in Florida mail-in voting has always favored Republicans. I am very supportive of it because it solidifies our democracy. Precisely the reason why Trump and many of his loyalists oppose it. Democracy is not something that benefits a dictator wannabe.

    But your question does reveal the mindset of too many Americans, especially on the right: putting partisanship before patriotism.
     
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    There have been 1200 polling stations removed in the southern states. Seven counties in Georgia have only one polling place. This will lead to very long line ups and waits for people to cast their vote. So it will take a lot more time than grocery shopping in those spots.
     
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    Not my experience anywhere I have ever voted in the US. One can also vote during non peak hours. I still don’t understand why waiting in line at a liquor store several times a week is protected activity. Nor do I understand why low tech snail mail, so outdated, is so emotionally protected. Encryption on the internet is more trustworthy.
     
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    Mail in voting could bog down the election for months. It's just another ploy by the Democrats to steal the election, this is on them and will blow up in their face.
     
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    The US Dems will likely win this election but they don’t want to take any chances so they locked down as many states as they could exploiting this mild virus. They had to know it would sink the US economy until well after Election Day. That wasn’t enough so they pretended to support the Floyd (A convicted violent felon who is finally beginning to be seen for who he was) myth and BLM to pander to the African American community to energize it and even Antifa to energize left wing radicals but even that was not enough. They recognize that African Americans don’t go to the polls as much as do other groups so they want to make it easier for them. Make no mistake. Dems would fight mail in voting with the energy of an army of wolverines if they thought it benefited US Republicans.
     
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    I don't think the title is inaccurate. But so long as the main underlying issue is clear, I don't think it matters much.
     
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    Of course you don't. You wrote it. But it is inaccurate just the same.
     
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    I didn't write it. But "defunding" to mean denying public funds seems perfectly acceptable to me.
     
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    With the drastic reduction in voting places, lines lasting hours, many will just go home and not vote.

    With Mail in, at least they will vote.

    We know the game you guys are playing, and it's not going to work, and it won't tie up the system months. If that happens, it will because the president willed it.
     
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    Defunding means stopping or reducing funds. No federal funds are involved to stop or reduce with the USPS. Actually it funds some federal spending on other things. The problems with the USPS result from poor management not money. It would help to stop raiding the USPS revenue nevertheless.
     
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    I know the game both of your US parties are playing. The insistence on mail in voting is coming from the party that thinks it will most advantage it. If the US Dems thought mail in voting would help the Republicans they would be screaming their heads off trying to fight it. I voted in a whole bunch of places when I was in the US and literally never waited more than 15 or 20 minutes. And I’ve not seen people discouraged waiting in long lines at liquor, cigarette, or places where they can buy lottery tickets or to pay for flat screen tv’s at Walmart. Frankly if they get discouraged waiting to vote, maybe they don’t deserve to vote. Good luck to you guys over there if you’re that apathetic (pathetic?)
     
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    And you'll note that Trump has supported mail in voting in Florida.

    And I'll bet no sorting machines were removed from that state
     
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    YET Who can forget Florida is the land of the HANGING CHADS????
     
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    Huh? Are you joking? This is precisely about $25 billion emergency extra funding provided to the USPS so they can deal with the losses produced by the pandemic. The bill is called The Postal Service Emergency Assistance Act

    Trump is holding those funds hostage and has admitted that he does this to undermine mail in voting.
     
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    Your story is anecdotal, there are many stories where lines were many hours, all in black and minority neighborhoods.

    Yes, make 'em wait 8 hours in a poor neighborhood and 10 minutes in an affluent neighborhood, and you wonder why people don't want republicans.

    The ONLY "game" democrats are playing is a thing called 'democracy'.

    The ONLY reason you are against DEMOCRACY is because more people want democrats than republicans.

    More people voted for a democrat in 2016 for president.
    More people voted for democrats for the House in 2018
    More people voted democratic in the Senate races in 2018

    More democracy is a good thing. We can't help it if you can sell your bankrupt philosophy to more people.

    If Republicans really loved democracy, which they obviously don't, people would pick up on it and maybe they would get more votes.

    That'll be the day.

    By the way, I'm not crazy about mail in voting, because historically speaking, the spoilage increases with mail ins. But, I'd rather more people voted than less, which is what will happen during the pandemic, many former poll workers are not showing up to work, so chapters are closing polls. There aren't enough polling places, and mail in is the ONLY solution until the virus goes away.
     
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    The US is a republic!

    The founders were deeply suspicious of democracies.

    It might be in your interest to read the Federalist Papers to understand the foundational principles of the US instead of telling me what my agenda is.
     
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    A democratic republic.
     
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    “And to the republic for which it stands”

    Read the Federalist Papers to learn why the founders were so suspicious of direct democracy.

    Have you read them? They are considered to be one finest collections of political philosophy ever written.
     
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    There has been mail in voting for a great many years, why was it never a problem UNTIL DIRTY DONALD????
     

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