Trump all but endorses Roy Moore

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ok... Let's try it! That would be "Stores are happy to have taxes. The reason why is the store gains. They would stop instantly if they lost money"

    Sorry... no sense whatsoever...

    I don't know if this has something to do with the small stores liking being taxed more explanation on the first paragraph, but it makes exactly as much sense.

    Reagan and Bush increased taxes for the middle class. They cut them for the rich. On an ongoing way, the only ones who benefited from the Reagan and Bush tax cuts were the rich. But the most nonsensical of all is this story about somebody separating the taxes that the rich pay from those that everybody else pays to assign them either to the government or to China and Japan

    Sorry. I appreciate the effort, but your message is unanswerable. Because, for the most part, it makes no sense whatsoever. And the few intelligible parts are factually inaccurate.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do me a favor. Could you please grab a thermometer, place it in your mouth, and respond again when your temperature goes down to...say... 110, at most.

    At that point, when you read my message, and then yours, you will understand there is no correspondence whatsoever.
     
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    I can just imagine Einstein trying to explain the theory of relativity to you and seeing it float well above your brain. Never touching you nor informing you.

    You tried to change my context. And failed miserably.

    I don't expect to reach you but i expect most others to get it.

    Sales did what? Sales cut the price per good sold and handed the consumer a tax break, since you decided to twist my words, surely you can recall what you said.

    Sales sky rocketed. This is the purpose of the lower prices.

    Remove tax funds from the consumer and you do not improve their lives.

    Look, I wish Democrats would quit whining as to my message structure. ask me more since you allege you are too slow witted to catch on.

    I despise when I must slap a Democrat silly. They start it and will go nuts denying they started it. But there it is, Read his words to me.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a near perfect admission of your lower IQ or lack of education.

    I will find a smart Democrat one of these days. Count on it. i know there must be some. I once was one myself.
     
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    Reagan cut taxes over the entire scope of tax quintiles. Studies proved all groups showed remarkable improvement.
    You may not recall stagflation. i do. You may not recall how it was in the early 50s and 60s and 70s. I remember.

    It was around 1980 that I created my first investors letter. i explained to my readers what had happened in the 50s-70s and what I believed would happen in the 80s. I was quite accurate. I had based my work on official studies of the eras and took a chance that my investors would fare even better than they previously had. Reagan changed our tax structure. This was more vital and important than actual figures per bracket. But he steam rolled us into a good economy. An economy that still blessed us all during Clinton's era. I explained to them what ROI is all about. Few mention this but if you put up 5 percent to buy a home, that is awesome leverage. What can you lose? You may lose the 5 percent but then you count it as were it rent. Tax advantages are yours forever.

    ACRS by Reagan was the fuel and my business skyrocketed. I was making money when most in my field hit the skids and took other jobs.
     
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    I have actually proven that to be fact.

    Let me try to explain my process around 1972. It was during the first oil crisis.

    I gathered up my sales crew and told them the new system. I had recently taken over the office of a failing Real Estate Broker who gave me a great deal to take his company over.

    If any of you are in sales, give this a try.

    The deal is says is this
    Each of you will volunteer to agree to goals. If you won't agree, you will lose out. i had to sweeten the pot.

    1. You set your goals PER month. Be they large or small, you own your own goals.
    2. When you list a home for sale, for purposes of credit, you get 50 percent towards the goal. upon sale, you get the balance of 50 percent.
    3. Sales count also at 50 percent and upon closing the deal, the salesman gets the balance of 50 percent.
    4. First sales meeting monthly, the previous month is tabulated so you can collect a bonus.
    5. Bonus money applies even if the deal collapses later. Bonus is 1 percent of your declared goals, provided you met your own goals.

    6. Say you came in under. You collected nothing. Say you hit the mark. if you sold $100,000 for the month along with listings that added up gave you $100,000 and it was your goal, we paid 1 percent = $1,000 then and there.
    Say you committed to $100,000 and hit $500,000, your bonus remained at $1,000 flat.

    The deal was to be accurate in goal setting.

    First, each agent had incentive. Each agent used his goals. Each agent knew the rules first. And for some of them, having that bonus kept them paying bills for the next month.

    It was fairly easy to predict the sales of each agent by about 3 months of doing this. We could then base company planning for things like advertising, etc.

    What took place is the office became the talk of this 230,000 people town. We were selling so much property, we were noticed by so many, it added to the success.

    i arrived to a dead office. When i departed it was smoking hot.

    Each agent told me first what success they planned for. Some overshot. Some undersold themselves.

    Later in my own office that followed this office i had agents plead with me to pay them more commission. I told them of my experiments. Sadly they broke all promises when i did increase their commission. They only earned what they had earned earlier. Men know what they are worth and when they hit that mark, they act like they are now on vacation till the year ends.
     
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    Sorry to bust your bubble, but I doubt anybody would be as patient as I was to even waste my time reading you.
    What you are trying to do, and very painstakingly failing, is to explain trickle down economics. It has never worked. Of all the CEOs of companies who were asked what they would do with the extra money they would get, not one.... not a single one... said that they would reduce prices to the consumer.

    I can assure you that there is nobody on this forum, on either side, who would make the effort I am trying to make to understand what you're saying. And I do it only out of politeness.

    Now... yes. Remove taxes from the consumer! I'm all for that. What does that have to do with removing taxes from Corporations and people making a million dollars a year who are not going to "consume" the extra (minimum of) $100K they will get?

    Here is a suggestion for you: before you send a post, try reading it as if you were somebody else. As if you were reading it for the first time. And you decide if they make sense or not.
     
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    There is an advantage to having a "lower IQ". Which is that people actually understand what I write. That's why I can make good points and argument them convincingly even though my IQ is a mere 140. What good is it to you to have an IQ over .300 like you do, if nobody understands what the hell what you write has to do with the topic being discussed!
     
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    I wholly refuted that claim the first time you wrote it. And yes you've reworded since then and it is still an absurd question.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you signed up to this forum with two different aliases? Is that allowed? If not, why are you accusing me of rewording a response that wasn't even from you?
     
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    It's not blind partisanship. I think the left wingers are bizarre and evil, so when lefties say go left, I go right. You're only going to get evil from a lefty, so it's like getting advice from somebody who is always wrong. Whatever that guy says, the last thing you want to do is take his advice because you already know that it's the wrong advice.

    It's much like the monty hall problem. You have to assume that the guy giving the advice is biased, so you act accordingly.
     
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    Because you started out another thread with a quite similar post about a week ago if memory serves. I assume the rewording wasn't on purpose.
     
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    Well.... that's a compliment. Thank you! Nothing better than being considered "evil" by extremists. Even though I don't actually believe there is such thing as "evil". I do believe there is such thing as "stupid" and "clueless". But I don't ascribe that to all the right. There are intelligent people there with whom I just happen to disagree .

    You are not one of the latter, though...
     

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