Trump announces executive order aiming to obtain accurate count of citizens in the US

They aren't eligible for most welfare. Nor is there any evidence that they and their children will be on welfare for the rest of their lives. Nice dodge, though.

 

Of course they are.

The average "refugee" get's $2100 a month. The average SS retiree who paid into it their whole life gets $1600 a month.

Perhaps you should listen to the "everything's free for illegal aliens" plank for every Democrat running for POTUS.

Who do you think you're kidding?

Their kids are educated for free, they're housed for free, their medical care is largely free......please just stop the ridiculous arguments.

 

Are you talking about legal refugees or illegal immigrants? And what are the long term costs for the former? You really expect me to believe that neither they nor their kids ever work? Really? Who do you think you're kidding?

 

Please accept my humble apology.

 

Are you talking about the 10% of actual refugees or the 90% who were denied last year based on false claims?

And no, they don't really pay for their own keep.

63% of all actual immigrants utilize welfare in some form or other.

 

Indeed and what are its effects? What does that paragraph DO and how does it do it?
Walk the class through it

 

An accurate, current, count of citizens v non citizens gives him a talking point to lobby for legislative action or constitutional changes or simply to sway the hearts and minds of ye olde silent majority that can't be shifted to vote. We have X number of representatives representing Y number of citizens and Z number of non citizens. Then you can break it down by state: State A has B number of representatives for X citizens and Y non citizens. If we only counted citizens, they would have C number of rep and D number of electoral college votes etc.
That's a valid strategy. It doesn't come from a place of racial animus.

 

I do not think the census was intended to promote political strategies, nor to be a tool of the president.

would you accept adding census questions that counted firearm information. Hiw many guns and which types

 

The second section of the Fourteenth Amendment repealed the three-fifths clause (Article I, Section 2, Clause 3) of the original Constitution, which counted slaves as three-fifths of a person for the purpose of apportioning congressional representation. With slavery outlawed by the Thirteenth Amendment, the Fourteenth Amendment here clarified that all residents, of whatever race, should be counted as one whole person. This section also guaranteed that all male citizens over age 21, no matter their race, had a right to vote. (In practice, many southern states devised schemes to effectively deny blacks the vote during the Jim Crow era. Later amendments to the Constitution extended the right to vote to women and lowered the voting age to 18.)

 

The census was intended to get an accurate count for representations sake. We've used it to gather other demographic information.

You can ask, I'm not sure you're going to get a perfectly accurate count. Hence why this measure is interesting, letting agencies like the CIA or NSA share with the census bureau on say their count of illegals vs that reported etc.

 

Given that the administration is publicly advertising their commitment to capturing
And expelling illegal aliens, i would not be wanting to put my name and address on a government document where i certify that i am an illegal alien

I agree that the information, if accurate, might be useful in some way or another ... it also could be abused for prosecution or extradition... which means the census almost certainly would not be accurate....which defeats the purpose of putting the question on the census... but, more importantly, would make the census less accurate in general ,

 

Except they ask about citizenship, not immigration status. Thus I do not reach the rest of your argument because you proceed from a false premise. We affirm our previous statement

 

Yup.

President Trump has selected the exact right solution for ascertaining the truest enumeration of American citizens. Trump has directed his agencies, especially the Social Security Administration, to have their computer programmers write simple little programs to count up the people on their databases by citizen and all other categories.

Now we don’t need to wait for 2020 to get a much better idea of how many citizens are in the country, we should be able to get that data very soon. We will soon know the number of U.S. citizens still residing in California, the state with the largest number of illegal aliens.

Americans are a highly mobile lot, and for quite some time now they’ve been fleeing California and New York for other states because of high taxes, cost of living, and undesirableness. Wouldn’t it be a kicker if Trump’s computer reports showed that those states are overrepresented in Congress? But here’s the real question for America: Should we be counting noncitizens to determine the number of congressional districts in the states?

It's long past time to use the federal databases to do the census and to establish voter registries. The feds are continually archiving and maintaining data on citizens, and have virtually all citizens on file already. Almost all Americans are registered with the feds (i.e. entered into the SSA database) and get their SSNs soon after birth and naturalization. That means citizens can be counted up at any time just by running a computer program.

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...cidental_win_on_the_citizenship_question.html