Trump appointee arrested in connection with Capitol riot

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ooo an option piece from a blog!
    Guess the debate is over!

    Would you mind to post the definition of the word “insurrection” and contrast that against what happened on the 6th
     
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    As the Insurrection Narrative Crumbles, Dems Cling to It

    ". . . This formulation was crucial not only for maximizing fear levels about the Democrats’ adversaries but also, as I’ve documented previously, because declaring an “armed insurrection” empowers the state with virtually unlimited powers to act against the citizenry. Over and over, leading Democrats and their media allies repeated this phrase like some hypnotic mantra: . . .

    But this was completely false. As I detailed several weeks ago, so many of the most harrowing and widespread media claims about the January 6 riot proved to be total fabrications. A pro-Trump mob did not bash Office Brian Sicknick’s skull in with a fire extinguisher. No protester brought zip-ties with them as some premeditated plot to kidnap members of Congress (two rioters found them on a table inside). There’s no evidence anyone intended to assassinate Mike Pence, Mitt Romney or anyone else.

    Yet the maximalist narrative of an attempted coup or armed insurrection is so crucial to Democrats — regardless of whether it is true — that pointing out these facts deeply infuriates them. A television clip of mine from last week went viral among furious liberals calling me a fascism supporter even though it did nothing but point out the indisputable facts that other than Brian Sicknick, whose cause of death remains unknown, the only people who died at the Capitol riot were Trump supporters, and that there are no known cases of the rioters deliberately killing anyone

    (Two FBI operatives have since anonymously leaked that it is looking at a “suspect” who may have engaged with Sicknick in a way that ultimately contributed to his death. But nothing still is known; Sicknick’s mother claims he died of a stroke while his brother says it was from pepper spray; and all of this is worlds away from the endlessly repeated media claim that a bloodthirsty pro-Trump mob savagely bashed his head in with a fire extinguisher.)

    What we know for sure is that no Trump supporter fired any weapon inside the Capitol and that the FBI seized a grand total of zero firearms from those it arrested that day — a rather odd state of affairs for an “armed insurrection,” to put that mildly. . . ."
     
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    Mine is 97 and for a woman who was thrown into a forced labor camp by the Germans almos a month past her teens and they they failed to kill her so I expect that we may be doing a 100 birthday party for her in less than 3 years from now. I teased her by asking her what theme would she like for her 100 so she threatened to smack me upsaide the head saying NO PARTY! I got away before she put her walker into gear. I am not stupid enough to get into a fight with a 97 year old that even the Nazis could not kill from overworking!
     
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    There are images of ziplock man but ok

    Again, would you care to post the definition of insurrection?
     
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    Oh, give it up friend. They're gonna cling to their "greatest insurrection since the Czar was overthrown" like ticks on a dog. Why waste time citing facts to those immune to them?
     
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    ". . . No protester brought zip-ties with them as some premeditated plot to kidnap members of Congress (two rioters found them on a table inside). . . . "
     
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    The word was insurrection. Not terrorism.
    You were given the definition because you weren't aware of what it meant.

    And we have to go by dictionary definitions if we are to have meaningful discussions. For if everyone makes up their own words and definitions, there can be no meaningful communication.

    Terrorism also has a definition, so if one sticks to that definition there's no slippery slope. Stick to the facts.
     
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    Storming the capitol looking to possibly kill legislators while they were certifying the presidential election process to stop it from happening is certainly an attempt to overthrow American democracy.
    A court of law will be determining the fates of hundreds who attempted to do so. Many have not had bail set it is so serious.
    That you want to brush it off as hyperbole says a lot of what you think about our democratic process.
     
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    Actually it's not hyperbole, it's just false. To deplore the events of 6 January does not require me to believe spin.
    As the Insurrection Narrative Crumbles, Dems Cling to It

    ". . . But this was completely false. As I detailed several weeks ago, so many of the most harrowing and widespread media claims about the January 6 riot proved to be total fabrications. . . . "
     
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    But the great news keeps coming. Trump is being investigated with the intention of prosecuting him for his role in the insurrection, and the new Georgia AG, who is VERY experienced and VERY principled, it pursuing criminal charges for Trump regarding the RICO Act for interfering illegally in the Georgia elections. It's actually looking very good for the possibility of him ending up with 20 years in prison as a minimum.
     
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    Screw the media. I watched it live. It was an attempted insurrection. It was an attempt to stop the steal. The Big Lie. Everyone there expected Pence to overturn the election.

    “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution.”
    -- Traitor to the United States
     
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    Yeah but they didn't chant "hang Pence" or erect gallows.

    Uh ........wait a minute.....
     
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    Let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    ". . . Perhaps the most significant blow to the maximalist insurrection/coup narrative took place inside the Senate on Thursday. Ever since January 6, those who were not referring to the riot as a “coup attempt” — as though the hundreds of protesters intended to overthrow the most powerful and militarized government in history — were required to refer to it instead as an “armed insurrection.”. . . "
     
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    Hmmm...looks like you're letting the media tell you what to think.
     
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    Again, the actual *charges* in said cases have nothing to do with treason, sedition or even insurrection. It doesn't matter what people want to call it, it matters what prosecutors who can actually charge the cases and the courts who hear them call it.

    None of those being charged have fit the necessary criteria, therefore that's not what happened even if that's what you THINK happened.

    This is your free lesson in critical thinking.
     
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    Glenn Greenwald is hardly "the media." In fact, he's the opposite.
     
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    Nope. Somebody else telling you what to think. Don't care what you call it. I saw it happen. I read Trump's tweets.
     
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    We all saw it happen. I'm not defending Trump or the rioters. I'm saying the Democrats' spin is more than a little overheated.
     
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    Who is they? Have they been ID'd?
     
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    Okay. Maybe a little. The denial from the RW is in full force. I think the Democrats' spin is certainly more warranted than denial.
     
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    Neither is warranted.
     
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    I guess now you're saying that all the chants of "Hang Mike Spence" that I and millions of others have heard on recordings of the riot were inserted later, (no doubt by experts employed by Industrial Light and Magic who were being refreshed by steaming goblets of toddler blood)
     
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