Trump appointee arrested in connection with Capitol riot

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  1. dairyair

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    None have been arraigned yet either?
    Charges change all the time with new information.
     
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  2. Jack Hays

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    There was no danger to any process.
    “A fly, Sir, may sting a stately horse and make him wince; but one is but an insect, and the other is a horse still.”

    ― Samuel Johnson
     
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    There was, but that isn't the definition of insurrection.

    Definition of insurrection


    : an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
     
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    Word games. Neither the Republic nor any process was in danger.
     
  5. dairyair

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    Definition isn't word games.

    There was a revolt against a civil authority.
     
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    Sometimes that's called "good trouble." It all depends on your point of view. I don't excuse the 6 January rioters, but they're not a threat to democracy or the Republic. Just like BLM rioters.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Try robbing a bank with an unloaded gun. See if your excuse works.
     
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    The level of threat is irrelevant to the crime.
     
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    I made no excuse.
     
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    Actually, it is. That's what separates "incitement" from other advocacy.
     
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    Your excuse was lack of sufficient danger. My point is that the level of danger is irrelevant to a criminal offense. And lets get some facts agreed on here. People died. A cop lost an eye. Over 100 cops seriously injured. The event was not only dangerous, it was deadly.
     
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    Who cares?

    The Capitol was breached by a violent mob. It can't happen again. That's what I'm talking about, and I'd hope you agree. Saying the government was never in danger of being overthrown ignores the events of Jan. 6th. It very well could have been; ignore that at your own peril.
     
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    Was John Sullivan not at the Capitol riot? Is that a lie?
     
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    You say the"right" gets to wear the scarlet letter. Again, was John Sullivan there or not?
     
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    Who was at the tip of the spear of that mob, from the barricades at the steps, to the doors, to the foyer, to the door where Babbit was shot? Yep, John Sullivan, leftist. Watch the videos again, and tell me who appears to have the most impact on this thing going sideways, Sullivan or this Trump appointee?
     
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    No it wasn't. In order to be considered an insurrection, the intent must be to overthrow the established authority. Civil authority is a synonym for government within the definition.
     
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    BAHAHAHAHAHAH

    That was a right wing mob. You and I know that. But you keep trying to make it something it is not. I await your next post on how the election was stolen from DJT.
     
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    No, the government could never have been overthrown by that moronic gang on 6 January. To claim otherwise is just political flapdoodle.
     
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    As the Insurrection Narrative Crumbles, Dems Cling to It

    ". . . other than Brian Sicknick, whose cause of death remains unknown, the only people who died at the Capitol riot were Trump supporters, and that there are no known cases of the rioters deliberately killing anyone

    (Two FBI operatives have since anonymously leaked that it is looking at a “suspect” who may have engaged with Sicknick in a way that ultimately contributed to his death. But nothing still is known; Sicknick’s mother claims he died of a stroke while his brother says it was from pepper spray; and all of this is worlds away from the endlessly repeated media claim that a bloodthirsty pro-Trump mob savagely bashed his head in with a fire extinguisher.)

    What we know for sure is that no Trump supporter fired any weapon inside the Capitol and that the FBI seized a grand total of zero firearms from those it arrested that day — a rather odd state of affairs for an “armed insurrection,” to put that mildly. . . . "
     
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    You seem hung up on terms. I'm talking about events. I don't care what the media says. 300+ arrests so far. How many hundreds do you think we will arrest?

    Capitol Police Union Reveals Cops Suffered 'Brain Injuries,' Loss of Eye After Pro-Trump Riot (newsweek.com)
     
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    Then we're just talking past each other.

    Focusing on the term "insurrection" is a distraction, and it's a bit popular right now. A continued attempt to downplay the violence? Or a distraction from Biden's success with the covid bill?

    I highly doubt public opinion hinges on formal insurrection charges.
     
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    I'm not the one focused on "insurrection." Indeed, I think that's a false trail and my posts reflect that.
    There is no point to downplaying violence, either in January or last summer. My point has been that the Republic was threatened neither time.
    I voted for Biden so I have no interest in distracting from his COVID legislation success. My concern is more general: we cannot go on forever spending more than we take in. Federal income taxes are too low.
     
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    Like we should forget 9/11 or pearl harbor?
     
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    Irrelevant, the issue is intent. Most certainly a case can be made for insurrection.
     
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