Trump attorney's memo to Pence outlined procedure to overturn election

An attorney for former President Donald Trump outlined a six-point plan for overturning the 2020 presidential election results in a memo to then-Vice President Mike Pence, according to new reporting by journalists at The Washington Post and CNN.

The two-page memo from attorney John Eastman first was reported in the new book “Peril” by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa; CNN also obtained a copy of the plan, which hinged on Electoral College votes in seven states.

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Pence considered intervening in the certification to be unconstitutional, but Eastman’s memo tried to convince him otherwise.

The memo suggests Pence could set aside Electoral College votes in seven states that submitted “multiple slates of electors.” Without those states, Eastman claimed Trump would hold a majority of Electoral College votes but not the required 270 to clinch his re-election.

The matter then would shift to the House of Representatives, Eastman wrote, where state delegations would decide the election. Republicans controlled a majority of the state delegations, according to the memo.

Experts in election law told Politifact in late 2020 that “shadow electors” who met to cast Electoral College votes for Trump against their state’s certified electors for Biden held no legal standing.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lined-procedure-overturn-election/5796803001/

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The Trump years will at least have allowed the majority of voters to see that democracy is a fragile thing.

All it takes is the election of a demagogue, a cult of personality and people in power willing to trample on the Constitution to put freedoms at risk.

The country has come very close to authoritarian rule.

Trump didn't foresee that his most loyal lackey, Pence, couldn't cross that line.

 

If you combine this with his January 6 speech, there can be no doubt about what it was Trump was asking the crowd to do.

 

Woodward also pushes the "very fine people" hoax in his book.

That said Pence is done in politics either way.

 

He's a traitor.

 

Nobody outside the cult had any doubts about what his intentions were. Actually, Powell admitted she lied about widespread election fraud and Rudy knows what type of monster Trump is and he contributed to working up the crowd that day. Trump has been having rallies all over the place (while ignoring COVID) but the one on January 6th, 2021 is the ONLY one in which he tweeted "It's going to be wild!" Those words aren't a crime but for anyone to suggest his hands are clean is just historical revisionism.

 

He is. However, notice that even with this information, they aren't going to break out of the Trump-haze. I'm not a fan, but Pence got a raw deal. He's been branded a traitor and it was Trump all along. How anybody can still defend him is incomprehensible. At this point, they are all traitors too.

 

This is the very principle of a personality cult.

Even Pence, Trump's most loyal ally for 4 years, becomes an enemy to be shot the day he decides to say no.

Impossible to reason with the MAGA.

You see it every day on this forum.

The only solution is to neutralize them politically.

 

No, certainly "It's going to be wild" is not a crime, but "We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.” certainly tiptoes near the instigation line, doesn't it?

On topic, seems old Potato(e) Head Dan Quayle carried the day over a RW lawyer... Can you imagine 2 such competing thoughts swirling around Pence's empty noggin that morning??

I sort of picture it like this (Pence is the ball in this example)....

 

It is gross insult to the principles of this nation that trump has not been tried, convicted and the just punishment dealt.

This injustice will allow another to follow and if they are not an incompetent moron they may succeed.

 

In the short term, it is clear that this is an injustice.

But in the longer term, the anger that Trump has provoked in voters is a powerful motivator to get out the vote.

Combine that with the fact that he has severely damaged the confidence of his base in the electoral system and you have a historic opportunity for liberals to hold the country for quite some time to come.

 

So a lawyer indicated that there was a legal and constitutional method of dealing with a corrupt and/or fraudulent election process? I am not sure I understand what everyone is upset with Pence about...

 

1. It bothers me that Dominion has filed defamation suits against Powell, Giuliani and Lindell but not Trump. He is the catalyst behind all them. Why do people keep tiptoeing around him? He's a con artist, fraud, pathological liar, cheater and a jerk. He has NO redeemable qualities.

So what he has a big mouth, temper tantrums and strong bent toward revenge? How can these same people send their kids off to school telling them "stand up to the bully" while they slink away with their tail between their legs because of a 900 year old bully? That's just asinine.

2. Wow. Quayle the voice of reason. Never saw that one coming! ;-0 It pains me that Pence actually considered capitulating. I understand why he didn't want Trump's wrath but Trump is very much "in the moment". He has no sense or appreciation for loyalty.

Look at what he did to Giuliani. He been going around the country filing cases and Trump refuses to pay him. Again, how can the cultists tell their kids and grandkids to be honest and live with integrity but completely gloss over the fact that Trump AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE does not pay his debts. One would think Giuliani would be smart enough to remember the past several decades with Trump cheating his creditors.

And, if Rudy can't come up with some cash, he might have to defend himself in court (all over Trump's BS). The mistress that marries her lover after his divorce thinks he won't cheat on her. OK. He was cheating on her with you! This isn't even the first time that Trump hasn't paid him. He had his people stop taking Rudy's calls when he was still in office. How many times does he need to get stiffed before he wakes up and realizes he's using the cheap hair dye?

Pathetic. And, we claim to be the strongest and best country in the world and our elected officials are running like little girls because of the big bad orange wolf. Whatever.

 

Please.

Not another MAGA who knows nothing about the Constitution.

 

Well I can understand why this would be confusing to the left, but you cannot file a lawsuit against someone just because you despise them. Trump would actually have to accuse Dominion specifically of something. General claims of fraud don't give Dominion grounds to sue.

 

The lawyer?

 

Nobody on the left is upset with Pence for his actions on 1/6... that's on you guys...

And Pence knew he couldn't treat any "electors" submitted by a group OTHER than the government of the state as viable electors...

If he didn't know it before, he figured it out before 1/6

SNIP
It’s "somewhere between fantasy and hogwash," - Larry Sabato
ENDSNIP

 

Oh yes, that's right.

Lawyers are always competent. Especially the ones Trump hires.

Cohen and Giuliani will be happy to know that.

The compliment is a bit late, given that they were disbarred after they got involved with Trump.

 

In a rare sign of his feral survival instinct, T**** was actually smart enough not to come up with Dominion claims on his own.... He just repeated (and retweeted) his clown car legal staff and RW media claims about Dominion, which is why most of them are being sued and he isn't...

 

I answer your 1st point in post #18 and it's valid... unless you can demonstrate T**** coming up with a Dominion claim not already made by his minions (including his minions in the his media)

I suppose Donnie won't be friends with Mikey anymore... which Mikey should really be happy about, since he now wants to be POTUS...

 

That's incorrect. The individual that made the claim, about Dominion, initially and then continually was Powell. After her initial claim, the Trump lawyer team tried to distance themselves from her.

 

Any comment on the actual topic? Trumps attempt to steal the election even though he lost?

 

It’s not though, it’s an illegal unconstitutional attempt to seize power despite losing the elections. It’s what despots do.

 

This was posted almost an hour ago.





https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/us/politics/trump-dominion-voting.html

Trump supporters aren't going to back Pence. To them, he's a traitor. They obviously don't care that what Trump demanded of him was illegal, immoral and unethical. They've shown they are totally cool with him trouncing the Constitution and Election Board laws.

 

I think the attempt was to have Pence be acting president until the election could be investigated. There is language but yes, it's as questionable as many of the 'legal abuses' coming from the left. I don't support it.

 

Seems he did the right thing and did not act upon the memo's suggestion.