Trump calls for raising minimum age to buy all guns to 21

Trump is coming for your guns

 

I am. Conservatives will support Trump. Liberals will hate Trump.

Hopefully, the Independents will see that President Trump moves away from harmful Conservative dogma. Liberals double down on issues where they are against Human Rights.

 

Hopefully, tens of thousands of people who will not succeed in suicide will remember this throughout their lives.

A 19yo young person who fails suicide due to the lack of a gun will remember President Trump when they are 90. I assume in 2090, living to 90 will not be that rare.

 

That's not valid objection. The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about due process. That's because due process only applies to individuals not militias.

 

Conservatives are abandoning inhumane practices:

-- They were anti-Semitic before WWII, not now
-- They were racist up to 1970s, not now
-- They were anti-LGBT up to 1990s, not now

They are still against Welfare. They are still pro-gun. But this is changing!

Liberals double down on their inhumane practices -- Identity Politics and Censorship.

 

Trump is easily manipulated, someone will change his mind before this ever passes

 

I hope not.

Sadly both Trump and his opponents have faults.

I hope this time, lives of tens of thousands will be saved.

 

The militia argument pertaining to the second amendment of the united states is dead and buried, as per the Heller ruling. And while the second amendment says nothing relating to due process, the fifth amendment most certainly does speak of due process, thus making it a valid point of argument.

 

While it is true that Trump is no friend to the Second amendment, this was over a year ago and like in all his bluster he did absolutely nothing about it.

So this entire topic is pointless.

 

buying? ok, MAYBE. owning? hell no there should be no minimum age for owning and using guns

 

Which only proves that there is no difference between the parties,,

 

And the second amendment protects the INDIVIDUALS right to keep and bear arms, unconnected with any militia service. DC v Heller.

 

realistically at best a couple hundred.

If you really want to save lives go hard after drugs/ alcohol & gangs, provide better mental health.

 

Banning guns would save about 30,000 lives per year.

 

A fantasy. Not unlike banning all tobacco products would save about 480,000 lives per year in the USA.

Proposing impossible, unenforceable "solutions" is merely making noise, nothing more.

 

Nope. And I'm pretty sure your original premise was that we can still keep shotguns and handguns and some rifles.

anyway, That would have probably put a lot of people in prison though, many bad guys yes, and a boat load of peeps with zero criminal history, not even a speeding ticket.

fun times.

Like I said above if you really want to save lives start with gangs drugs and alcohol.

 

The nation of Japan has demonstrated that such is factually incorrect.

 

How can you own something you can't buy?

I guess there's ways around it that just look weird to me. Like I said originally I personally don't have a problem with age 21 or under age 21 you can only get a 22/bolt/sg. Just because I don't have a problem with it doesn't mean I think it's going to accomplish a damn thing.

If you want to find bad guys with a gun I don't really think they should be looking at the 18 to 21 age bracket in general, look at gangs.

I do agree with some of the posters that say Trump really isn't is a hardcore 2A supporter but he knows that if he wants to stay a popular Republican he has to be.

However I personally don't need hardcore, Andy hasn't shown any willingness to bend on the basic premise of the Second Amendment.

But like the one statement he said after the Parkland shooting where we saw a lot of faults in how and why law enforcement didn't disarm this kid. "take the gun, due process later" <paraphrasing.

Woah! that's bold, I think a lot of people including the ACLU got a little twisted over that and I agree I cringed a little bit but after about five minutes of thought I kind of agreed.

this kid was a walking red flag that was ignored and due process had something to do with that. As a result we have the red flag law in our state. That law doesn't upset me, although I do see potential for abuse.

 

It's common in hunting families for parents to gift rifles to their children i imagine the same is true for sport shooting and collecting families.

I agree about Trump and would say that extends beyond gun issues. He's pretty much a moderate Democrat.

Red flag laws concern me. They need to be written very carefully. I am leary of giving the government any more power.

 

Agree.

we shot 22, 410, 20gauge as kids mostly putting holes in empty pabst cans and the occasional billy beer. We were super respectful with firearms in general.

Put thousands of rounds through a daisy pump bb gun before that.

 

The right for citizens to bear arms is protected by the second amendment. Due process for citizens is also protected

 

Part of the problem is our society is extremely unfamiliar with guns. You don't respect that which you know nothing about or worse yet view as a novelty or a toy.

These are ordinary everday objects, tools.

 

The problem stems from willful ignorance of the subject, and an outright refusal to acknowledge that they are ordinary, everyday objects and tools. But what can be expected when so many are brought up and brainwashed into believing their only purpose is to be used in committing murders?

 

part of our society, those who are ignorant are fearful.

 

In Japan, suicide is not considered a sin. This is a cultural problem.