Trump demanded Secret Service let rally attendees in with weapons

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  1. Bluesguy

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    And you have the same rights as you do in a trial and the same evidentiary standard should apply to protect people from false statements being made against them. They played bits of her taped statements so what? And why should Trump have to wait to have this accusation cleared up? If this committee is after the truth why didn't they vet her testimony before putting her before the entire nation? Shouldn't they check with the people she is quoting in her HEARSAY statements? I have been quite clear the problems I have with this unsubstantiated third hand story and that has been confirmed by the statements that are being reported from the Secret Service and agents involved. Why DON'T you have a problem with it?

    And the courts have been quite clear that the subpoena and investigative powers of the Congress are limited to legislative purposes so if you support this political charade who can you also say you believe in the Constitution and the law?
     
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    it's not a Congressional hearing. Pelosi set up a partisan committee that does not follow the rules of Congressional hearings such as an opposing side with cross examination and able to call witness and submit evidence. And yes I heard all the time she said she was not in the room and not in the car and was told something or what someone said by someone else.................hearsay.
     
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    The courts have already backed up the legislative purpose of this committee. So, if you don't support this committee, how can you also say you believe in the Constitution and the law . . . especially seeing as you've supported Trump upturning BOTH to install himself as an unelected President? Nice try. No one is buying it.
     
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    Like her testimony of which the key items were hearsay and have been denied by the other parties. Why didn't this committee vet her testimony before turning her into a public display? Yes those scripted question prepared for in the what 5 times she sat with them. With the canned responses and CYA couching.
     
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    It's amazing they don't get dizzy with all that spinning isn't it?
     
  6. Bluesguy

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    You mean the judge that said, FROM THE BENCH, Trump is guilty of crime. That violation of judicial ethics? That violation of the rights of a citizen to have a fair trial before a judge can declare them guilty of a crime?

    Read the authorizing document the committee is ONLY for information gathering. They don't need this spectacle for any legislation that would have anything to do with Jan 6.

    How can you say you support this committee if you say you support the law and the Constitution and due process?
     
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    You are mixing up your arguments. Are you talking about the courts backing up the legislative purpose of the committee or are you talking about Trump's attempts to install himself as an unelected autocrat . . . which you supported?

    They don't have to prove they NEED it. It is USEFUL for legislative and oversight discussion and deliberation. As the courts have backed up.

    Very easily. Because the committee, as the courts have confirmed, DOES have a legislative and oversight purpose.

    How can you say you support the law and the Constitution when you support Trump's attempts to overturn BOTH and install himself as an unelected autocrat?
     
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    Oakey dokey
     
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    LOL - you are making assumptions on what my views are even though I did not state my personal opinion in my post, just stating an opinion on the reactions

    Trump is a narcissistic conman who tried to overturn an election. His followers drink his kool aid no questions asked

    As for the lie, I said "if" she was lying about the limo, not that she was
     
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    I know nothing can diminish your devotion to Trump.

    You would find a way to defend him even if Trump pleaded the 5th before the Commission.

    In fact, some of his associates have done so dozens of times.

    The same ones who asked for a pardon after 1/6.
     
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    Why do they need a secret service agent to confirm this? This witness didn't say who was in the circle of that conversation, but I'm sure it was within earshot of more than just secret service... Lot of MAGAs backstage that morning....

    Much better chance of getting this confirmed since it was an open space and not a vehicle with just 3 likely witnesses....
     
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    You couldn't br more wrong.. and I just don't get it, Trump short embattled from all sides term brought more benefit than the pervious 50 yearsof the politicians at the govt trough.. I just don't understand the unhinged vitriol towards Pres Trump.. What part of peace and prosperity didn;t you like, What did you have against the highest employment and wages for all Americans, low gas, and not getting conned by the rest of the world? etc... etc.. etc..
     
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    unhinged hate towards one president that worked tirelessly for the benefit of all Americans.. it is sick, some kind of mental disease.
     
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    In both my personal and work experiences, I have had situations where people "overhead" a conversation and either misinterpreted, misheard, or just missed some context

    I am not saying that she doesn't believe that is what she heard, but if a secret service agent said that he was told to not check for weapons, then that is your smoking gun Otherwise, it is an unproven allegation
     
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    How do you know any false statements were made against anyone? You're bid SS hangup is if Trump lunged for the steering wheel. Let's say he didn't, let's say he was really pissed at not going to the Capital (they didn't dispute that) and just leaned forward and put his hands on the headrest.....so what. Who has been disparaged? What is the false statement? What is the actual point here? Why did Trump WANT to go to the Capital?
    This is an investigation of the insurrection on Jan. 6th. just as there was an invetigation in Watergate. What is your problem with the subpoena power in this case.
     
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    If I recall correctly it was Rep. Cheney (R) asking the questins so that's a failure there.
    As far as "hearsay", if there are people that were in the room that can refute what she said they can say "I'll testify" rather than refusing to and asking for pardons.
     
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    Yeah, you keep saying the same things over and over that didn't hold water the first time and still don't.
     
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    Boy what a spectacular implosion of your star witness' credibility to the claims of the OP, ehh? As for you claims about Trump and the Trans, Trump loves the Trans. Kaitlyn Jenner is a very close personal friend and has been since the Bruce days. Between the Trans and the J6 circus, it's like the Dems want to focus on everything BUT the voters singular demand: #SHUTUPANDFIXINFLATION!

    FINALLY, THE CURE FOR RISING OIL PRICES, INFLATION AND AN OUT OF CONTROL BORDER: Democrats unveiling ‘Transgender Bill of Rights.’

    Reminds me of the Country Song:

    "Trump take the Wheel!"

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    Actually, you stated that T supporters would bend over backwards to defend him and I'm agreeing
    My biggest problem is that he took credit for all that and had little to nothing to do with it.
    What my other problem with him is the clown show of an administration he had. He just tried to pull off a coup. The high gas prices are in large part because of him. He completely boched the pandemic. There was peace before him and there is still peace. If he was in power now the Ukraine would no longer exist, Europe would be a foe to the US (they never "conned" us, he just told you they did) and we would be even closer to a civil war then we are now because he keeps fanning the flames. Trump is insane and a clear and present danger to the US.
     
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    What doesn't hold water here

    Like her testimony of which the key items were hearsay and have been denied by the other parties. Why didn't this committee vet her testimony before turning her into a public display? Yes those scripted question prepared for in the what 5 times she sat with them. With the canned responses and CYA couching.
     
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    Yes Cheney who is serving Pelosi well and changes nothing, we know her opinion of Trump quite clearly. Was Cheney selected by the Minority Leader to be on the committee? Is the ranking member of the ranking House Judiciary Committee on the this committee?

    To try and use Cheney as some symbol of "bipartisanship" and "Republican representation" only shows you fall for Pelosi sham here or are a willing participant in the charade.

    The SECRET SERVICE AGENTS are DEMANDING to be allowed to testify in PUBLIC and on CAMERA. This committee will NOW have no choice but to allow them. The question is why weren't they questioned about it before now? Why weren't THEY the ones testifying instead of someone who claims to have been told by someone else who did not actually witness anything. Why are they presenting pure and utter hearsay as evidence against someone and were trying to do so with any rebuttal or corroboration of what their witness was claiming? Where is due process for citizens that are being accused of crimes by these partisan spectacle?
     
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    The story has been debunked by the agents involved who are demanding to set the record straight and even the Secret Service took the extraordinary step of issuing a statement that they had never been contacted by the committee concerning, asking for verification and to have the agents involved to testify to the allegation. The entire story about Trump wanting to go to the Capitol appears to be false even now

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...mp-tried-grab-steering-wheel-willing-testify/
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    She can't get basic facts straight in her third party allegation.
     
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    YOU brought up the judge who declared him guilty of a crime not me. I remember it well and in fact believe I am the one who started a thread about because it was such a violation of judicial tenants. But do tell me what did the judge say was the legislative purpose? You tell me? What was the legislative purpose of the testimony we heard yesterday? Even the committee members have stated they want to send criminal referrals and the AG has said he will be happy to receive them.

    And stop claiming I supported Trump efforts that day, I did not and criticized him heavily for having is rally that day so trying pull that as if it refutes the facts as I post them ain't getting you anywhere.

    How can you say you support the law and the Constitution when you support the unconstitutional purpose of this committee, the violation of House rules of this committee, the violation of due process of this committee and the rights of those they are accusing.
     
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    YOU brought up the judge who declared him guilty of a crime not me. I remember it well and in fact believe I am the one who started a thread about because it was such a violation of judicial tenants. If you want to withdraw it fine with me.

    It has to be FOR legislative purposes. Not to put on display what they think is bad behavior, not to smear people, not just to see what they can find.

    And stop claiming I support Trump efforts that day, I did not and criticized him heavily for having is rally that day so trying pull that as if it refutes the facts as I post them ain't getting you anywhere.

    And Congress does not oversee the Office of the President or the President himself. They are coequal so that argument fails on it's face.
     

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