Trump Doral resort to host G-7 summit — sparking yet another ethics fight for the White House

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Emoluments refers to profiting form the activity, the Doral is doing it at cost....saving the US money. Trump has the ability to play the left like a fiddle.
     
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    Whats the big deal? Who cares? Is there anything at all trump does that you guys dont cry about ?
     
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    But if the resort is losing money, a massive injection of cash "at cost" is a huge benefit to the business. If the business breaks even for the year as a result of the G7, but it would have lost X million in the absence of the G7, it is a benefit to Trump and the business.

    And he could easily piggyback all kinds of upgrades / renovations off the back of the G7 and recover them as the "cost" of the G7. So the books might not show a profit, but the resort could be much better off financially.

    Literally any other federal employee (except POTUS and VPOTUS) would be going to prison for doing this. Even with all of the justifications that you use - savings to the taxpayers, no profit for him - this would be illegal for anyone else. Because of his office he gets an exemption from the application of the law but that does not eliminate the conflict. It just eliminates the criminal consequence.

    This is wrong. It is sad that Rs in Congress are so scared of Trump that they will not hold him accountable. Politics over principle. Sad.

    The right thing to do - the ethical thing to do - would be for Trump to have said that he would not take any federal government money and no foreign government money during his presidency. That would be better than putting his business into some fake non-blind trust that is being run by his sons.
     
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  4. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you one of their accountants? Or did CNN tell you they're losing money from an "anonymous" source? Proof please.
     
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    I said "if". And pointed out that there are all kinds of ways that the business can be better off even if it claims to be hosting the event "at cost".

    Trump is directing federal and foreign money into his own pocket. That IS a conflict of interest. The conflict is not eliminated by saying he is going to do the event "at cost".

    The only way to eliminate the conflict of interest is to say that his businesses will not accept federal money or foreign government money while he is president. But he won't do that because he actively wants to funnel federal money into his own pocket.
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In other words.......Ya got Nuthin". How embarrassing for you.
     
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    On the contrary. There IS a conflict of interest.

    As president, his interest is to host the G7 in a way that reflects well on the country, at a fair price.

    As a business owner, his interest is to drive business towards his resort.

    Those interests are different. Hence, a conflict of interest.

    Any other federal employee would be in prison for doing this. You have not addressed that.

    You've got nothing. How embarrassing for you.
     
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    His son's resort doing it at cost, the IG will scrutinize the deal. If anything done was wrong, you'll know it. Till then you're just blowing hot gas.
     
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    For those still insisting on defending Trump even in this: get a copy of our Constitution or google it and download an app, and read it, because obviously our failing education system has failed you.

    Allow me to simplify regarding this particular issue.

    Corruption is often exhibited by regimes wherein the leader, president, prime minister, dictator, whatever you want to call him gives lucrative government contracts to his family or friends. Projects like buildings, infrastructure, hosting government events, and so forth fall into this category. The family member or friend often makes millions through such a contract. Up to now, this sort of deal has been the very essence of corruption.

    Trump took it up a notch my granting a government contract to himself. That is above and beyond the usual corrupt act. It is simply indefensible, and those who try are not being honest with themselves as to the nature of their hero.

    Denial = Don't Even kNow I Am Lying.
     
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    If the president is a life long crook, then no, there's nothing that we won't recognize as corrupt coming from Trump. You can call it crying if you like, but that fact is that most of us think our president should have at least some sense of honor and some idea of what's right and what's wrong, and Trump just doesn't.
     
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    Why does anyone thing that Florida in June is a good place for this summit? Hot, humid, and right in the heart of hurricane season. What freakin' moron thought this was a good idea? Oh, yeah ... that freakin' moron ... and his supporters continue to make excuses for him, like good little minions. Just effing brilliant.

    :drool:
     
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    Please oh please oh please dont tell me you voted for Hillary.
     
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    If you cant handle the heat !
     
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    Hope so. Weve spent far too long concerned about the opinions of people from countries that dont matter.
     
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    Held my nose, but yes, you betcha. Anyone but Trump.
     
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    It isn't about what you or I can handle. It's about the president putting millions of taxpayer dollars into his resort to get it ready for this event, then more taxpayer dollars for any restoration after the event, and millions in foreign money into his pocket. Do you really not get how illegal that is? Don't you care about our Constitution?
     
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    Really? What was the vetting and selection process?

    What other sites were considered?

    Is it adequate in terms of security?

    Is it up to standard?
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    You like your standard of living?

    Then the opinion of those people from those countries MATTER
     
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    Why not?
     
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    If you're not plying golf, then Doral is cesspool. It's located in the middle of an industrial area with nothing else to do unless you want to drive for about an hour to get to the beaches, where the breezes cool things off a bit. Foreign leaders will not be impressed. The locals are going to hate the traffic mess (which is bad enough already). Trump just needed to fill beds. This is all about him, not our country. He's a dick.
     
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    Of course it applies. I've never seen anything that applies more. This is a textbook description of a corrupt act.
     
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    So it's a good thing that he doesnt take a salary and a good thing that he sends 50 years worth of a presidential salary to his own privately owned businesses.

    Got it.
     
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    It is the height of absurdity to pretend that trump had no influence on the selection of his own privately owned resort winning the no bid contract.
     
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    Well sir ,i would be willing to listen to anyone but a clinton voter. Wow. At least ya got balls to admit that.
     
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    This simple statement illustrates, in so many ways, the attitude that's going to lead to a diminished United States, in many facets, if it ever becomes the prevailing one.
     
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