Trump Doral resort to host G-7 summit — sparking yet another ethics fight for the White House

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  1. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    You bring up an intriguing point. As we have seen with the Rachael Maddow Al Capone's Vault sort of story with the Trump tax returns, we can see that quite a few news stories have been reported as truth, only to be later proven to be nothing at all. We have seen that the Trump story about the Obama Adminstration tapping his phones in Trump Tower was used as evidence by the media that Trump was pulling a Ross Perot moment, only to have that proven to be true. We have seen that the Russian Collusion hoax was touted as God's honest truth for two and a half years only to be completely debunked after two and a half years of constant certitude by the media only to be proven to be a complete hoax. We are seeing the supposed Ukrainian phone call as being a for certain indictment on Trump even though it is more than likely not that the Ukranian connection will be infinitely more damning to the Bidens.

    So I guess my response to you is how do you know the things you think you know? Did you fall for the Russian Collusion hoax? If you did, are you still listening to those very same news sources that suckered a large portion of America the first time around? You are making an assumption that Trump lies alot, and to an extent I would agree that he is overly braggadocious and he tends to exagerate, and this assumption is based upon listening to the media which just flat out lies maliciously when it comes to Trump. So how do you know for sure your assumptions are grounded in facts?
     
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    I agree, however, taking a financial loss cannot be considered enriching himself, and that is what he will do if he hosts the conference as Doral.
     
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    What financial loss, if those rooms are vacant, he would be receiving no monies. The man doesn't even show his taxes, yet on his word, he is losing money.
     
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    Trump has repeatedly been caught lying about his financials (I can provide tons of examples if you want, but he has publicly admitted that he doesn't even consider it lying to lie about his financials) and has publicly admitted to double bookkeeping. As for your attempt to scramble to change the subject to Russia, my only claim about Russia was that they were caught planning to do exactly what they were accused of. Whether or not they were successful is another story.

    As for my confidence that my assumptions are grounded in facts: as novel of a concept as it may be, I actually do my homework. When I say Trump lies about his businesses and his financials, that's not an assumption, that's a fact that Trump has had to verify himself under oath.
     
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    And the resort Trump wants to use has had reports of bed bugs and roach infestations. Please stop pretending that this was literally the only appropriate venue. No one on earth is dumb enough to believe that, nor is anyone dumb enough to believe that anyone is dumb enough to believe it.
     
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    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Do you think equivalent Advertising Value is applicable for a very high end resort? If it was a Holiday Inn, I would be with you on that one, but at the very high end, things operate a little differently. Do you think the Trump name is a bit toxic, given that revenue at the Doral has dropped since Trump took office? Since a good 35% of Americans loath Trump, is EAV going to provide a positive return or negative return in light of the fact that the Doral has lost revenue since the President took office? If the EAV has a positive return, will it be enough to offset the loss of revenue that will happen during the conference?
     
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    Bed bugs were eradicated from America some time ago.

    But because of diversity, the bed bug is back in the USA.

    Actually the bed bug is usually found in hotels wherever tourist who have visited a developing country picked up the bed bug. Bed bugs are natural hitch hikers.

    You are more likely find a bed bugs in a 5 star hotel than at the local cucaracha motel where the hookers and meth heads hang out.

    Lets not forget the Chicago sewer rats that followed the Obama's to the White House.
     
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    I don't believe that there are many people that actually want war. Turkey has wanted to beat up on the Kurds in Syria for a while now. It was the fact that there were US troops there that was preventing it. Now that the President has allowed it to happen we no longer have any options other than a war. Do we, as a country, think that anyone in the world will ever take our word for something without a whole lot of thought? We've been played for fools. The only benefit we get is a couple of thousand troops that will be deployed elsewhere.

    Since we've pulled out there have been several hundred Kurds killed. About a hundred thousand civilians have been displaced due to the Turkish invasion.

    Syria is actually a relatively safe place for our troops. Since 2015 there have been four service members that have lost their lives there. Two were killed by IEDs and two were killed in accidents.
     
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    Several points here:

    1) The Rachael Maddow reveal of Trump's tax returns was valuable because it helped to explain why Trump championed a GOP Tax cut which would boost his personal revenue by several tens of millions.
    2) There is still zero proof to Trump's lie about Trump Tower being tapped.
    3) The Russian Collusion investigation presented extremely damning evidence that the Trump campaign both sought and benefited from illegal Russian help, even if there was never a finding of an explicit agreement. It also resulted in more than a 100 criminal charges, several successful convictions for felonies, and the seizure of tens of millions from criminals. The investigation also presented extremely explicit proof that Trump obstructed justice on multiple occasions.
    4) Trump is currently facing an impeachment inquiry and an overwhelming plurality, if not a majority, of Americans support the impeachment and removal of Trump explicitly because of his behavior in relation to Ukraine.
     
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    Absolutely none of this is remotely close to accurate.
     
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    These types of resorts also collect money in other ways. For example, shortly after Trump took office, the cost of membership doubled and several members became political appointees.

    Do you see any value there for Trump?
     
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    The emoluments clause does not say anything about profit.
     
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    I'll take your word for it.

    My home isn't infested with bed bugs.
     
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    No, I don't think I will.

    The definition of gift doesn't change even when orange man bad.
     
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    If he's willing to open his books on Doral so we can see EXACTLY what his costs are, OK. If not, it should be opened up to a bidding process. As it is, Trump USED his office's influence to get a government contract. Can't see how that would not be cause for removing any mayor or governor in the land. It's happened. Why is Trump immune?
     
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    Emolument is broader than "gift."

    a salary, fee, or profit from employment or office

    And the clause also doesn't apply to anyone who is not an elected official. FFS.
     
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    I've been saying that Biden shouldn't have been point man on Ukraine because of conflict of interest so I couldn't be logically consistent if I didn't agree with what you wrote
     
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    Networking is pretty valuable though
     
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    All world leaders need to say is:

    "It is difficult to avoid the appearance of corruption while attending a summit at a property you own."
     
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    That and networking.....

    I just don't understand why send more fire to republican elected officials already in the trenches defending Trump
     
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    LMAO
    Coming from the party of sanctuary cities, open borders, flag burning, BLM, antifa, and those jobless idiots of occupy wall st.

    Wiping your ass with our constitution by attacking and belittling freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and our 2A rights.

    And let’s not forget all that free ****..
    Free health care
    Free college
    Free housing
    Free cell phones...
    Democratic politicians catering to their *******ed constituents that aren’t even capable of supporting themselves.
     
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    Where's the evidence that he will take a financial loss?
     

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