Trump Doubles Obama's 2012 NH Vote Total Signaling Fired Up Base

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  1. Paul7

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    Huh?:roflol:

    Especially THIS Part:

    "Sanders won the primary, he got about half the votes he did in 2016, so again less Democratic voter enthusiasm"

    ^Your "conclusions" are completely WRONG.:bored:

    Epic FAIL #1

    In 2016 Democrats cast 253,000 Votes.

    In 2020 Democrats cast 293,000 Votes.

    How does an INCREASE of 40,000 Votes equate to less voter enthusiasm"?

    You "conclusion" is dead wrong.

    Epic Fail #2

    Sanders got half the votes he got in 2016?

    Do you find that surprising?

    In 2016 Sanders was in a 2-Candidate Race, and 2 Candidates exceeded 24,000 Votes.

    In 2020 Sanders was in a Multi-Candidate Race and 5 Candidates exceeded 24,000 Votes.

    So? You actually find it "surprising" that Sanders had a lower vote total?

    Conclusion--You totally misinterpreted the NH Results.

    Carry on.:salute:
     
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    4 more years for Trump, 4 more years of tears for the Democrats.

    Huge win for America to see Trump so popular despite all the fake news, fake polls and fake hoaxes he has had to endure. Thanks to the President, I am better off today than I was 4 years ago and far beyond. So are many others.
     
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    Wow...
     
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    OK, fair point about Sanders, now explain post #2, and the fact IA Dem voting was far less than expected.
     
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    Bernie had 152,193 votes in 2016 against one main competitor with a total of 250k votes cast in total.
    Bernie has 75,690 against a field of over two dozen with a total of 295,566 votes (with 97% reporting). An increase of 15%

    Republicans on the other hand had 284,120 votes in 2016 and have currently 144,142 votes (with 97% reporting). A decrease of 50% — looks like Republicans are the ones that are disenfranchised... Or do you believe the Democratic party will not vote for the eventual nominee?
     
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    The GOP base is fired up this year and it's a complete turnaround from 2017 when we held statewide elections in Virginia.

    At that time Republicans had hit rock bottom. The base was furious with the the RINOs in the U.S. Senate who turned Democrat during the FullRetardCare repeals and when Election Day came around a lot of people stayed home. That's how we wound up with this mediocre piece of racist Democrat **** for governor:

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    Since then just about everything changed. Trump and the GOP got our floundering economy rolling, cut taxes, killed the individual mandate, started packing the courts, etc., and then Dems ****ed up with their spy campaign and naked attempts to steal what they couldn't earn at the polls in 2016 and are afraid they can't earn in 2020 and now the base is angry at Democrats instead of Republicans again. On top of that, Virginia Dems have gone overboard and brought a lot of opposition off the political sidelines that will be voting in November.

    Back in 2017 I was wondering if and how the GOP would ever recover but now those questions have been answered. Now the base is jacked up and we should have an excellent turnout in November. While I don't think Trump will carry Virginia on account of all the Swamp critters up north around DC, there's been talk that the Commonwealth could be in play this year which is amazing in itself:

    Virginia Poll: Donald Trump Leads 2020 Democrats, Except Biden
    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-elec...nald-trump-leads-2020-democrats-except-biden/

    And Trump was only down 4 points to Biden, which is within the margin of error.

    It's been an amazing turnaround to say the least...


    EDIT: Here's a pretty good article from Vox that discusses the Dem turnout in NH yesterday:

    New Hampshire primary turnout was good for Democrats — sort of
    With no competitive Republican race, independent voters were free to focus on the large Democratic field.
    By Katelyn Burns Feb 12, 2020, 10:00am EST
    https://www.vox.com/2020/2/12/21134438/new-hampshire-democratic-primary-turnout
     
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    If it's Bernie, not necessarily. You post does nothing to negate that Trump had more votes than any other incumbent POTUS running for re-election in decades, or that IA Dem turnout was lower than expected.

    Also, if NH Dem turnout was slightly higher than last time, remember that NH has a semi-open primary where undeclared voters can vote in a party primary, meaning the Dem turnout was bolstered by an uncompetitive Rep primary. That wasn't the case in 2016.
     
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    Why would I negate Iowa’s numbers? I thought your post was discussing New Hampshire? Already trying to deflect on the very first page?

    New Hampshire Democratic turnout was higher this election cycle while Republican turnout was substantially lower.

    Your narrative has been summarily refuted.
     
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    Not really, look at the second paragraph I wrote on the post above. There were Republicans voting in the Dem primary, unlike 2016. Even then it wasn't that much higher.

    Of course, it was an uncontested primary. You keep dodging that Trump had more votes than any other incumbent POTUS running for re-election in decades, and by a long shot. Not a good omen for your party.

    No it hasn't.
     
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    What percentage of the voters were Republicans just trying to manipulate the system because they cannot win without doing so? Have any numbers or is it just a guess?

    I don’t have a party
    Irregardless, Is 144,142 a higher or lower number than 295,566?

    Looks to be...
     
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    Trump’s core voters have this innate understanding that Trump needs his ego constantly stroked and as all good cult followers do, they want to please their leader. You wanted an explanation as to why a greater number of Trump voters went to polls when it wasn’t necessary - I’ve given you the psychological reason.
     
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    Is that why some Democrats did well?
     
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    The OP title was that Trump got twice Obama's 2020 vote total. Are you disputing that?
     
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    While Bernie May have a number of cult-like followers, even those who really hate him would have a hard time describing him as a narcissist in need of crowd validation. And I say that as someone who would not vote for Bernie.
     
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    Bernie is just bat crap crazy anyway. Does he even know when he is in front of a crowd?
     
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    Nope, I am disputing your narrative that “so again less Democratic voter enthusiasm. As I said all during the impeachment farce, all it accomplished besides tanking Biden's race was firing up the Trump base.”
     
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    What if he is the nominee?
     
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    I won’t vote for him. I didn’t vote for Clinton, either. Too toxic like Trump.
     
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    No. He’s not a narcissist. But he is a socialist/communist with years of evidence displaying his tendency. His proposed policies and regimes he has supported, all point to one conclusion. He can call himself whatever he wants. But what he wants to do is pure socialism with some communist leanings.
     
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    The only thing that is important is the votes cast in the Presidential election between Donald Trump and whichever Tweedle Dum or Tweedle De is chosen from the surviving Democratic nominees.
     
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    Reputed my old, bony, hairy ass. Yes it was substantially lower because voting was completely meaningless what’s with Trump being unopposed. And still, Republicans turned in in record numbers with Trump still setting record among incumbent Presidents - see OP. What does it tell you?
     
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    Stay safe my friend... stay safe :hug:
     
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    Yes, refuted.
    Numbers don’t lie — if you have new numbers to introduce feel free.
     

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