Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

Same same for me. Are disagreement is to what is an "automatic weapon." SCOTUS is going to have to decide that as well as the "weapons of war" being available to civilians.

However, an AR15 is far superior to a mass killing weapon to a glock.

 

they possess weapons of mass destruction and should be preemptively disarmed for national security.

 

Ad hom attacks, BuckyBadger, by you only reflect on your inability to address the OP.

 

Good argument but since you are not the federal government much less the representative example of our gun right, SCOTUS is going to have determine certain matters for us.

 

No worries butch

 

Incorrect as usual. There were not 500 casualties and there were no automatic long arms used.

 

Why will the lefts gun bans fail?

Many more drug deaths than gun deaths and BTW, the drugs are already illegal.

 

Fallacy of false equivalence. No automatic long arms were used.

 

SCOTUS has already determined it.

 

You never know when we might need more. To your point about our forefathers, the Flintlock Musket was "the" assault rifle of its day during the Revolutionary war but they also had weapons such as the Musketoon and the Blunderbuss. The Blunderbuss was sort of like a shotgun except it could fire rocks, nails or shards of copper or lead. It wasn't very accurate but could put a hole the size of a man's fist through a pirate or other enemy.
Thomas Jefferson’s “Assault Rifle” – The Girardoni Air Rifle fired 22 .46 caliber round balls in less than 60 seconds at speeds of 400-450 feet per second.

So how about we repeal the 19th amendment? It wasn't something our forefathers thought about at all. Giving Women the right to vote wasn't even thought about when slaves were freed during the Civil war. Hell it was an afterthought until ratified in 1920.

 

Yet only 1% of gun deaths are caused by the semi auto rifles the left wants to ban. The majority of gun deaths are by handguns, which of course the left would love to ban but are to timid to say so.

There is no disagreement what an 'automatic weapon' is. Can you describe what a 'weapon of war' is since soldiers also carry sidearms (pistols) and knives? They also DO NOT carry the guns the left wants to ban. The left wants to ban a 'style' of rifle that looks scary because they probably watch too much TV or Movies that use full auto weapons.

Somewhere we will hear that the Framers never realized what weapons would be created later. Well, the weapon of the time, the musket, was not a 'military style' weapon but an actual military weapon that the Red Coats also used. Back then they required civilians to bring their 'military weapons' if needed. There was no ban on these 'weapons of war' then which should be instructive for the gun grabbers but logic is not mandatory for the holophobes.

 

Why? When you have a bunch cops shooting a total of 50-60 rounds and hitting the perp only a couple of times, that should be instructive as to both the difficulty of hitting a target under stress and the necessity of having as many rounds available as possible.

 

It can be.

 

You are sounding a lot like Jerry Nadler.
What legislation is to be brought before the Supreme Court that hasn't already been heard?
You know what the term settled law means?

 

Which, of course, is false. The law putting those determined by a judge to be mentally incompetent or dangerous to be put on the background check still exists. The OP is about overturning the Obama 'pen and phone' regulation for not even going before a judge to ban guns from people that might be determined to need someone to help them.

 

No, not an attack, but seriously, what do you know about weapons? By your statements, not a whole lot. You don't seem to understand the difference between automatic weapons, what civilians use and can buy and what the military uses. You interchange and make so many statements that aren't accurate, it makes one wonder what you level of knowledge on the subject actually is.

 

30 round "candy sticks" probably not. An auto sear to convert a Glock to full auto is already NFA . There was some mention of it and speculation as to how the Las Vegas shooter rapidly fired what is believed to be an AR-15 with a bump stock.
Seriously, I doubt much if any firearms hardware will be addressed anytime soon by the Federal Government. States, as you may know often impose much more stringent restrictions. AR's for example are effectively banned in NY, NJ, CN, MA, CA, HI & MD. These states and some others also restrict magazine capacity, certain types of gun stocks, etc. These state laws will not be overturned by SCOTUS either. Only voters change draconian state laws if they have the will.

 

no it doesnt have anything to do with my point. And this still does not have anything to do with my point.
Also AR15 are not automatic weapons, they are a semi-Auto just like a glock

My point was challenging Renee idea of banning "assault rifles" with 100 round capacity, I just made the point that a shooter could just buy 4 guns with 25 round capacity and still have non stop 100 rounds firing.

his reply was "Well let’s see if there is a mass shooter who buys 4 guns with 25 magazines. We know what happens with one gun. So let’s ban those and let’s see what happens"

So his response was ban the guns and hope for the best. I pointed to the VT attack as showing that even with 2 hand guns it was still one of the most deadly attacks in history. So his idea would be a complete failure.

So my point was the vodka analogy, it would be pointless to ban vodka to try to cut down on drunk driving. Just like banning 1 gun and thinking it will stop mass shootings, Alcoholics will just drink whisky, beer, etc and still drive drunk. Just like a crazy person wanting to go on a suicide rampage will just pick a few of the hundreds and hundreds of remaining legal guns after you have banned an AR15s, you have done nothing to cut down on mass shootings at all.

 

I don’t know any personally but I know about at least 15 from the news I wish I didn’t have to hear about any

 

the second amendment does not allow civilians to do preemptive counter attacks, only active duty military personnel.

your AK and AR must be taken away for national security, since they are weapons of mass destruction.

 

What 15 shootings have happened with automatic rifles? This is another example of you having no idea what you’re talking about.