Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

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  1. Xenamnes

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    And yet such is ultimately the truth. The united states is subjected to ever-increasing levels of violence, political corruption, use of illicit narcotic substances, and illegal immigration. It is no different than the nation of Mexico.

    Semi-automatic rifles have been available to the civilian population of the united states since the start of the twentieth century. Nothing of relevance has changed with regard to firearms. The only difference is the news media has begun to shower mass killers with support and infamy, thus encouraging others to do the same.

    As far as the united states news media is concerned, their own ratings are of greater importance than human lives.

    And yet the private market suggests otherwise, since semi-automatic firearms continue to be purchased in large numbers.

    Apparently not yourself, since it would not be yourself who is out of a job and potentially living on the streets in response.
     
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    whatever.

    The mass shootings started to happen. The opinion on how easy to get them changed.

    I have yet to see you producing something else.

    It doesn't say if a relatively small % buys them all, or even that people from Latin America take them home for their drug wars.
     
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    There is no debate possible if left wing and right wing polls show the same outcome. It's pointless to blame the messenger.

    It's not against the constitution to put the same kind of firm restrictions on semi as has been done to auto. It's criminal and anti constitutionally to make death threats against people who apply their right for free speech. That too is not up for debate.
     
  4. JakeStarkey

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    Regulation of semi-autos is constitutional. That won't change.

    No one should be making death threats on others' free speech about any issues. That's just madness.
     
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    What happened to your demonization of AR/AK rifles. You shifted (predictably) from discussion those rifles, broadening the class of weapons now to semi autos, first by interchangeably referring to them as semi autos, now only referring to semi autos as the demon? You argue from either a position of deception or of ignorance; which?

    Do you know what semi auto refers to? Do you know how semi auto differs from double action?

    BTW, this rifle is semi auto, it’s a .22cal introduced about the same time as AR15s.
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    The following is not semi auto or full auto. It is black.
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    This pistol is semi auto... it is black.
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    The following pistol is not semi auto,
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    Yet, both pistols (same manufacturer) fire with each pull of the trigger.

    So, what makes semi auto a demon action in a gun?
     
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    It has always been about assault weapons. And I know... suddenly you folks don't understand what that means.
     
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    No, you started using the terms ‘assault weapons’ and semi autos interchangeably.
    I note as in other exchanges, you didn’t answer the questions you were asked for instance, what is the difference between semi auto and double action, and what makes semi auto a demon?
    I’ll add, is the gun in the second photo I shared an ‘assault weapon’? If so, why?
     
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    I already sourced that assault weapons or AK kind of weapons if you like, are play a huge roll in the biggest mass murders that happen. I already sourced that a fast majority in the US wants them under strict laws at best. And here you are.. like "huh, why is it so bad?". Maybe you should scroll back and read what has been posted.
     
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    I have followed closely, watching you deflect and obfuscate. As I said in my last post,
    Why? I don’t think you know what you are talking about, but are regurgitating anti gun rhetoric without understanding. If that’s not the case, then answer the questions. If you say you have, then you should have no problem clarifying by answering the questions. Personally, I don’t think you can with any knowledge of firearms, clear definitions or a consistency of logic and reason; you may as well be arguing the dangers of red unicorn horns.
     
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    I think the plan is to trick Trump into compromising on background checks to separate him from a large part of his base. There is no indication that Trump will be foolish enough to ultimately ever do that.

    Trump should push for the removal of restrictions on the right of citizens to carry concealed hand guns.

    Real significant reform to empower ordinary Americans instead of more irrational ineffective gun control schemes would draw many more voters to Trump.
     
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    No it isn’t, as the heller ruling pointed out to you.
     
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    You said nothing but wondered around questioning things. You bring in no arguments and so add nothing.
     
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    My positions are well known. But I can’t offer much to vapor except to call it out. I can’t argue about the color of unicorn horns or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
    As for debating with you, why? You are either being deliberately deceptive or basing your statements out of ignorance.
    Again, you side step the questions because you don’t want to reveal your lack of knowledge which undermines any claim you make.
    As for my arguments thus far, they are wrapped in the nature of the unanswered questions, photos, and comments thus far that reveal you making statements based on spurious and vaporous logic. You interchangeable use of the terms assault anything with semi auto demonstrates that and undermines any credibility.
    Let’s make it easy, answer the question about photo two above. Do you consider it an assault weapon. I will even open it to any GCA who wishes to answer. Your lack of answers to the questions I have asked is the best argument made thus far.
    Answer the questions and establish a baseline of knowledge and let’s debate.
     
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    Yeah, get him to support universal ccw. PLEASE get him to do that.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
    Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions but usually includes semi-automatic rifles ......
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    I'm not here to be interrogated. If you have no argument,... than you're just harassing around.
     
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    I do not care what your silly little personal opinion is about wikipedia. I added a foto to it, only showing how utterly wide spread the idea of an what an assault weapon is, among gun enthusiasts.

    That idea is supported by the fast majority of Americans. This is the will of the people in a democracy. The fast majority is just fed up with all the massacres. And all what is stopping the change, is the gun lobby that is corrupting the government.
     
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    No he should just withdraw federal funding for states that to not encourage their citizens to carry concealed firearms. That will work a lot better. :)
     
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    That’s the problem with WIKIPEDIA, you don’t have to have subject credibility to contribute. Reminds me of people using calculators that know nothing of math... punch in numbers, get an answer and have no idea if the result is credible, they just trust others for the answers.
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    Not if what you contributed was accepted. You can’t even answer a simple question related to the subject matter.
     
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    Retrace the discussion; it is enlightening.
     
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    I'm sorry that my source disagrees with your fixed mantra.

    You can not make a simple argument, and only are resorting to endlessly interrogate people. I'm not up for that at.
     
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    I don’t have a fixed mantra but I do possess logic and reason, which you seemingly can’t respond in kind.
    I understand, you can’t answer simple questions. There is nothing to discuss if all you do is hide. You have exhausted all credibility. If you choose to tenaciously hold on to ignorance, nothing of value is to be gained.
    Glad you speak for the GCAs., except I figure many might not figure it helps their cause.
    So, enjoy.
    Let me know if you wish to try having a rational discussion.
     
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    I still haven't seen any argument.

    To interrogate is not having a discussion.

    Let me know when you have something to say.
     
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    My argument is simple, you don’t know what you are talking about; thus the nature of the questions which you refused to answer (you can’t) by deflection and referring to them as an interrogation, which illustrate my point. That’s hiding...there is another word for it. We aren’t in court, so your taking the 5th is humorous. None of your trying to turn things by asserting I have no argument will reclaim your credibility. You can only do that by answering the questions and establishing a foundation that you have some sense of the subject matter. As it is you have no footing for debate only baseless opinion formed by someone else’s opinion which you lack the resources to evaluate for veracity.
    I have a problem with those that advocate legal restrictions on something when they lack knowledge on the something.
    You’d be more honest to say you don’t know have the knowledge, but what someone else has said sounds good to you.
    I get it. ARs and AKs are bad... kind of like the boogeyman.
    I am done with you. Go for the last word... claim a victory... it is a drop of water in the rain.
     

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